TRIAL OF ATTORNEY GENERAL HARRY TRUMAN (Convicted)

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

If the Senate votes against the people, I will raze this city to the ground.

Why would you raze the city after you win?

A vote to convict is a vote against the people.

Polls clearly show the public wants conviction:

https://talkelections.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=489212.0
https://talkelections.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=489544.0
https://talkelections.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=489235.0
https://talkelections.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=489999.0 (only 40% supporting Labor or NKT)

S019's attempt to turn the spotlight onto the federalists also failed tremendously:

https://talkelections.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=489699.0

The PEOPLE (62%!) voted for this administration, and all the past administrations which the Attorney General has served. The Attorney General’s tenure has been an execution of the will of the people and a vote to convict is a usurpation of the will of the people. If you want a different Attorney General, elect a different President.

A majority in a single election is not sufficient as bind the people for all eternity to any and all illegalities and derelictions of duty that might occur during their time in office.

We have a system of checks and balances for a reason. What are you are essentially saying is that you intend to degrade our system into an elective absolute monarchy, with no legal restraints or means for recourse in case of abuse.

The Harry Truman that served with distinction as Attorney for several Presidencies is not the Harry Truman of lawlessness, violence and disregard for constitutional law and restraint of power. It was the Harry Truman who stood up to lawlessness, defended constitutional governance and opposed gov't tyranny. That Harry Truman, no longer exists. He died on the plains of Kansas.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

What right does the senate have to judge me? What right does the senate have to interpose in arresting the will of the people?

The pretended charges which these senators bring against me are the final act in a desperate conspiracy born in the last days of Federalist misrule, which has festered and spread in darkened hallways and smoke-filled rooms to involve high officials in every branch of government represented in this city. The state department, the senate, the court, the sniveling ministers of the southern Region, not to mention the vipers in the press, are combined against me; in their pursuit of their aim they show now regard for laws, for constitutions, or for the ordinary conventions of government. The constitution in their hands is an instrument for oppression and lies; it is a threat issued by the privileged minority to the masses: it is the whispered threat of violence perpetrated against the people, first in Kansas, in time throughout the whole nation everywhere where there is resistance to tyranny.

What we are seeing in Kansas is only the first act of the war that will end in the permanent subjugation of the working people of this country, of the states of the western commonwealth, to the cruel domination of eastern money-changers and foreign interests. The fascist element has never given up hope of ruling this country. They were frustrated in 1933, when their strategies, so successful on the continent of Europe, proved ill-adapted to the sense of patriotism and love of liberty which yet prevailed among the people. Their aims were for a time arrested; but the progenitors of that plot were never brought to trial. Their sons and grandsons walk among us today in the guise of ordinary citizens; but secretly, the plot against the nation smoldered, changed shape, developed appetites. At one time most of the national security apparatus of the country was directly or indirectly controlled by a small circle of influential men having as their aim the establishment of a fascist dictatorship over these states.

The enemies of this nation knew that before their plans could proceed I must be removed from the Cabinet and the administration of the department of justice. After the defeat of their first attempt, they had turned to statues and regulations to slowly erode the identity of the people. The language of the law became an instrument of control —words, words, words, words spun to confuse, beguile, and frustrate all efforts to challenge their creeping control of the state apparatus. Opinion, precedent, interpretation and consensus were the means for whittling away the ability of the people to resist the encroaching tyranny.

The substance of their arguments is nothing —words, words, words, words spun to bamboozle and deceive the masses. They sought to make the law so incomprehensible that the people could not make head nor tail of it, and so would be forced to rely on authorities to explain it to them. Words took on a malleable and ethereal meaning: the law meant whatever the lawyers said it to mean. The sense of the people was obscured, and their vigilance lulled into slumber, in anticipation of the main event.

The objection which these senators take to my administration of the justice department is not, as they pretend, that I have acted contrary to the good conduct of the law. Many of their best friends are secessionists and criminals, and they have sought many times to subvert the laws and the constitution on their behalf. They object to me because I have beat them at their own game: I have refused to accept their terms for the debate, but have taken the fight to the people and won. Now they seek to remove me by a groundless, heretical, and unsubstantiated attack on my office.

I say, if the enemies of this nation will vote to remove me from office, the eyes of the people will at last be open to the true nature of things.

They will see the laws and the constitution for what they are: the instruments for the abuse and oppression in the hands of their lying counselors, the so called "senate" of this republic. They will at last understand that when senators cry "law and order," what they seek is the unilateral disarmament of the working class to facilitate the progress of capital unimpeded by laws, elections, or legitimate courts. They will understand the peace of the land to exist under the veiled threat of violence against any who challenge the monopoly of capital which is established in the privileged minority who call themselves the senate.

When the people are aware of these facts, they will not any longer have a reason to obey laws which protect not their rights nor secure them from harm. They will then cease to restrain themselves from the forceful expression of the right of the majority to make the laws of the nation without reference to fancied laws or constitutions.

If the senate wishes to inaugurate open war between labor and capital, they shall have their war. Labor will not hold back her natural strength in such a conflict. We will reduce the whole of eastern despotism to ashes. We will send the capitalists and their minions to receive the divine justice of Christ, Our Lord.

The only one here spinning words to justify the unjustifiable is you. You decry disarming the working class, yet how many gun grabbers have you elected to office in the name of muh Labor majority?

You can spin Charles I's words through a wood chipper and whip as much proletarian rhetorical flushes as you want, but at the end of the day you and the administration your serve abused the powers of the executive branch to facilitate Fremontian Imperialism, disregarded constitution and the law and now the primary defense you have is that because 65% of the people voted in the last election for this administration, that you have blank check to do what ever you want between now and July.

I don't think 65% of the country supports transforming into a dictatorship.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

If the Senate votes against the people, I will raze this city to the ground.

Why would you raze the city after you win?

A vote to convict is a vote against the people.

Polls clearly show the public wants conviction:

https://talkelections.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=489212.0
https://talkelections.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=489544.0
https://talkelections.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=489235.0
https://talkelections.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=489999.0 (only 40% supporting Labor or NKT)

S019's attempt to turn the spotlight onto the federalists also failed tremendously:

https://talkelections.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=489699.0

The PEOPLE (62%!) voted for this administration, and all the past administrations which the Attorney General has served. The Attorney General’s tenure has been an execution of the will of the people and a vote to convict is a usurpation of the will of the people. If you want a different Attorney General, elect a different President.

A majority in a single election is not sufficient as bind the people for all eternity to any and all illegalities and derelictions of duty that might occur during their time in office.

We have a system of checks and balances for a reason. What are you are essentially saying is that you intend to degrade our system into an elective absolute monarchy, with no legal restraints or means for recourse in case of abuse.

The Harry Truman that served with distinction as Attorney for several Presidencies is not the Harry Truman of lawlessness, violence and disregard for constitutional law and restraint of power. It was the Harry Truman who stood up to lawlessness, defended constitutional governance and opposed gov't tyranny. That Harry Truman, no longer exists. He died on the plains of Kansas.

Any violence that has occurred in Kansas is certainly not the fault of the Attorney General. This administration has shown the highest commitment to Law and Order by combating insurrection, rebellion, and terrorism at every turn. As the GM has confirmed, there is indeed terrorist activity ongoing in Kansas; the President and the Attorney General have accordingly delivered a proper response.

There has been nothing "proper" about the response of this President or this Attorney General.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

So let's examine this.

The administration illegally ordered the arrest of five members of the Senate for opposing the administration.

The Senate PPT declares that administration to have "only acted" properly.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Hey Senator R, did you hear something? Must have been the trees outside.


Edit: Ninja ninjaed this post. Obviously, inserting a quote would defeat its message, though.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Ah yes the utter lawlessness of holding a trial under the principles of due process, one which exists for the purpose of allowing you to defend yourself. How uncivilized! Yet you don't even seem to be taking that opportunity, it's almost like you're pleading guilty. I suppose your incessant complaining about this trial only displays your disdain for the law, rather ironic for the Attorney General.

Oh, I am guilty: guilty of defending the people against the murderous, bloodsucking cutthroats in the senate; guilty of fighting for the cause of the Good Old Union against the southern vagabonds and imperialist occupiers of Kansas; guilty of opposing GRAFT, BRIBERY, AND CRIMINALITY from the "honorable" senators who presume to judge ME. THEY are fugitives from justice impeaching the prosecuting attorney investigating their crimes —the treason of the senate has no bottom.

What was Peebs crime?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

What about Tack?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Aye

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Also after all this is over I think it'd be good to set up some rules for future impeachment trials.

And change the relationship between the cabinet and the Presidency.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Also after all this is over I think it'd be good to set up some rules for future impeachment trials.

And change the relationship between the cabinet and the Presidency.

Could you be more specific about that?

 

Pre reset certain cabinet offices were constitutionally derived which was inconvenient hence why in the 2015-2016 convention it was replaced with the current system which basically is a unitary executive. This means you are an eo away from Dofe not existing, being merged to another department or the officer being fired.

I think it's worth losing a little flexibility on trivial matters like department names in exchange for a firewall around Sofe and RG.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Count 1: Guilty
Count 2: Guilty
Count 3: Guilty
Count 4: Guilty
Count 5: Guilty

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

rip bozo

rip bozo

The irony of you two calling someone a bozo is just ridiculous.

How is Leavenworth these days?