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[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Kind of weird to do this now, just days after an election in which endorsements were requested and received without the issue being raised then.

Aside from endorsements, what other ties are there?

If I had a dollar for every time I told LT to STFU and behave either in public or private, I would not have to worry about how to pay for my Spring tuition. For a long time I have requested the LT not be present on Lokcord as it tends to bring out the worst in him and had that policy been followed this would not have happened to begin with. As such I am rather pleased with the Lokcord ban. I seem to recall saying as much back in the mid summer (may have been in a discord discussion I don't remember).

I cannot comment on penalties and discussions related to this matter in "a certain place", and I don't think it appropriate from a legalistic perspective to get ahead of an ongoing court process especially with regards to stripping someone of office/voting rights etc.

As a general rule I have repeatedly discouraged the kind of singularly focused approach whereby individuals are latched onto as targets to be destroyed or crippled one way or another as I have long found this to be counter productive and with examples of such being repeatedly demonstrated. A good example was the myopic focus on destroying Pericles in 2018 and its role in helping to facilitate the restoration of Labor. To the extent that LT, YT or anyone has engaged in such approach, I have repeatedly discouraged such going all the way back to DWTL in late 2009 with his "list of enemies". The effort to "get" at certain people distracts from the larger strategic objectives, hampers the ability to collaborate with natural allies, empowers and emboldens the opposition (as well as to arbitrarily inflate their support) and can lead to if taken to extreme, criminal activity.

Often times the response used to blunt my warnings has been the need to "fight back", the need to not be steam rolled over and respond in kind for slights both real and imagined. However, the difference becomes one of Cold Harbor and Vicksburg, Pickett's Charge and Chancellorsville. To engage in counter productive actions such as those referenced above in 2018, doesn't stand up when the end results are weighed even if the criteria is one of "punch back hard" or whatever you want to call it. In such circumstances, the aggressive (pushing beyond acceptable bounds) pursuit of an objective, becomes the very undoing of success at it.

As a party you are free to resolve whatever you desire and deem in your own best interest. It is not my objective to change your minds on this vote, it is merely my objective to communicate my own long standing opinions, convey the various and (somewhat) conflicting roles I have had to play in regards to this matter, and hopefully protect the reputation of my party and its members.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Kind of weird to do this now, just days after an election in which endorsements were requested and received without the issue being raised then.

We raised it almost exactly a month ago. We have had issues that we simply couldn't ignore any longer, and honestly I should not have requested an endorsement.

As such, on the advice and broad support of DA members and leadership, I am issuing this statement on behalf of the entire DA to condemn LT's conduct. We will not stand for this behavior from anyone.

In addition, we will be evaluating our relationship with the Federalist Party should they continue to not answer for LT's conduct and influence over the party. If they defend his actions, we believe we will be forced to cut any ties.

Nothing concrete was done about it by my knowledge.

Nothing was also done to ensure that I even saw this ultimatum, and it is the first I am seeing it. It was not PMed to me and I didn't see it in a DM on discord the short time I was on discord Sunday night (first time since July I went on there).

If I had a dollar for every time I told LT to STFU and behave either in public or private, I would not have to worry about how to pay for my Spring tuition. For a long time I have requested the LT not be present on Lokcord as it tends to bring out the worst in him and had that policy been followed this would not have happened to begin with. As such I am rather pleased with the Lokcord ban. I seem to recall saying as much back in the mid summer (may have been in a discord discussion I don't remember).

Saying something to him in a private discussion doesn't mean much to me. This guy told Scott his life was "f**king pathetic" a mere 2 months after Scott's last attempt on his own life and still not too long after he lost his mother. And of course there's the other comments he made. The fact you all didn't try to cut all influence of him within the party (or any influence for that matter), or blacklist him, or expel him, or whatever, is the main driving force behind this motion. In fact some people who defended LT (like OSR) have only seen their influence grow.

I'm well aware the DA will suffer somewhat politically because of this. I don't care, and I don't think those voting Aye care either. This is a matter of principle and morality. We don't want to work with LT after what he's said and done.

Those comments are despicable. Scott is one of the few people to actually give a flying F@%k about my situation the past few weeks and is one of the best posters on this forum.

OSR formerly held office, had a reputation that earned him respect even among Laborite circles  and such forth and was thus one of the few that could have walked into that election and won a write-in campaign.

We are not big on the whole toothless resolution thing in the Feds, there is a culture long hostile to the idea of expulsion (not that I could get enough people active to even pursue that process right now) and I don't know what this "blacklist process" is.

I cannot comment on penalties and discussions related to this matter in "a certain place", and I don't think it appropriate from a legalistic perspective to get ahead of an ongoing court process especially with regards to stripping someone of office/voting rights etc.

Fair enough.

Also before anyone says this is because I lost my senate seat, no, it really isn't. I don't give a sh*t about that. I just don't want to work with someone who says his opponents should be liquidated or that I'm a cuck for not falling in line.

Not every Fed has said that about you. You were 1 vote away from being endorsed by the Feds and I made sure to preference you regardless of the increasingly hostile situation between you and LT. If I had it my way, you would have been reelected along with the two Feds, Transit and AGA.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Lets review the record of non-Federalists endorsed by us in this election?

Official Ballot
At-Large Senate:
Deadprez
Wxtransit
AGA                 Most all of the Fed ballots included Transit and AGA and Deadprez was the preference leader.

Great Lakes Senate:
Joseph Cao

Upper South Senate:
NC Yankee



Northeast Senate:
Dwarven Dragon  received six Federalist Votes, one of whom invalidated accidentally. I didn't see any feds who failed to vote for Dwarven Dragon



Fremont Parliament
ASV    - haven't reviewed it but you handwaved it anyway.

The above are the nominated candidates.

I sent a PM two weeks ago insisting that we run at least 2 candidates in the at-large and that we find someone for Deep South. This was replicated with a subsequent PM stating the same last Tuesday or Wednesday. Transit did not request, nor was endorsed for Deep South Senate and I did not even know he was running for it. In such circumstances perhaps contacting the Chair of the Party you want the support of, could you know, help. Coincidentally, I missed OSR's declaration for writeins and even sent  him a PM asking him to accept such write-in votes unaware that he had already done so.

Furthermore, it seemed dictated by all manner of competence to not fall below two at-large seats. We had exactly three endorsed candidates, only one of whom was a Fed and even with OSR, still was short of a majority slate. Utah Neolib did not request our support that I recall, did not declare for the primary and thus we were not obligated to support him. I didn't even know he was running until I saw the ballot.

For at-large seats, the Federalists don't do priority elections. Everyone is running against not endorsed under the infamous Fhtagn/ASV period rules and anyone preferenced by a majority gets nominated. We endorse a majority slate and if short of a majority, we push for late declarations and yes write-ins to get that point. Thus Transit and AGA were going to be at worst 4/5 on a slate and absent a third Fed, WB comes into the mix as runner up. That several Feds did not preference WB is in contradiction to long standing At-large strategy.

The only non-Fed endorsed for Region wide office, received every Federalist vote and that was you Dwarven Dragon.

The same vote that nominated Dwarven for Senate, rejected him for GC, indicating an expectation of a Federalist candidacy. Even if he had been nominated, the lack of a majority slate would have triggered the same policy that applies above to "at-large Senate/Formerly House" and thus allowed for a Federalist write-in or any write-in for that matter up to a majority slate.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

The only non-Fed endorsed for Region wide office, received every Federalist vote and that was you Dwarven Dragon.

We voted for AGA too and I voted for you Wulfric so I dont know what you guys are talking about

AGA is not even a DA member he's a liberal so he's pretty irrelevant to a DA convention.

While the support for my vanity northeast campaign was nice and I do appreciate it, I'm referring to my more viable GC candidacy above, where:
Your (OSR) and Feds more broadly first pref was for SN enough said. Had he not withdrawn I would never have seen your vote.

The expectation was that Brother Jonathan was going to run again, at least that was what I heard communicated to me and this is why the convention vote played out the way it did. Your outrage would be more understandable if in fact you won endorsement and then the above happened.

AGA is relevant because he was endorsed on our At-large slate and then received solid backing from federalist preferences. It is thus relevant to a discussion about us throwing people under the bus or whatever this is.

3: Endorse candidates he dislikes in leadership elections

Also, you do realize that there are no contested leadership elections.

There is nothing to stop leadership elections from being contested.

There is nothing to stop people from declaring for office by the 15th of the month prior to the election as has been long standing Federalist policy, either. Still doesn't happen though.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

The only non-Fed endorsed for Region wide office, received every Federalist vote and that was you Dwarven Dragon.

We voted for AGA too and I voted for you Wulfric so I dont know what you guys are talking about

AGA is not even a DA member he's a liberal so he's pretty irrelevant to a DA convention.

While the support for my vanity northeast campaign was nice and I do appreciate it, I'm referring to my more viable GC candidacy above, where:
Your (OSR) and Feds more broadly first pref was for SN enough said. Had he not withdrawn I would never have seen your vote.

The expectation was that Brother Jonathan was going to run again, at least that was what I heard communicated to me and this is why the convention vote played out the way it did. Your outrage would be more understandable if in fact you won endorsement and then the above happened.

AGA is relevant because he was endorsed on our At-large slate and then received solid backing from federalist preferences. It is thus relevant to a discussion about us throwing people under the bus or whatever this is.

3: Endorse candidates he dislikes in leadership elections

Also, you do realize that there are no contested leadership elections.

There is nothing to stop leadership elections from being contested.

There is nothing to stop people from declaring for office by the 15th of the month prior to the election as has been long standing Federalist policy, either. Still doesn't happen though.

If BJ was the intention, why were there a bunch of first prefs (6 valid and a couple more not) for SN2903 then?

My understanding (possibly incorrect from bits I read Sunday night) was that a realization was made that BJ was not running again and thus efforts shifted to another Fed. I was not on discord until late Sunday night, and have no idea what the mechanics were regarding Lincoln GC. I was not able to get this past Sunday off of work like I normally do because of inventory and the back to school rush.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

The only non-Fed endorsed for Region wide office, received every Federalist vote and that was you Dwarven Dragon.

We voted for AGA too and I voted for you Wulfric so I dont know what you guys are talking about

AGA is not even a DA member he's a liberal so he's pretty irrelevant to a DA convention.

While the support for my vanity northeast campaign was nice and I do appreciate it, I'm referring to my more viable GC candidacy above, where:
Your (OSR) and Feds more broadly first pref was for SN enough said. Had he not withdrawn I would never have seen your vote.

The expectation was that Brother Jonathan was going to run again, at least that was what I heard communicated to me and this is why the convention vote played out the way it did. Your outrage would be more understandable if in fact you won endorsement and then the above happened.

AGA is relevant because he was endorsed on our At-large slate and then received solid backing from federalist preferences. It is thus relevant to a discussion about us throwing people under the bus or whatever this is.

3: Endorse candidates he dislikes in leadership elections

Also, you do realize that there are no contested leadership elections.

There is nothing to stop leadership elections from being contested.

There is nothing to stop people from declaring for office by the 15th of the month prior to the election as has been long standing Federalist policy, either. Still doesn't happen though.

If BJ was the intention, why were there a bunch of first prefs (6 valid and a couple more not) for SN2903 then?

My understanding (possibly incorrect from bits I read Sunday night) was that a realization was made that BJ was not running again and thus efforts shifted to another Fed. I was not on discord until late Sunday night, and have no idea what the mechanics were regarding Lincoln GC. I was not able to get this past Sunday off of work like I normally do because of inventory and the back to school rush.

Well this is all very weird so I'd appreciate hearing more from someone more aware if you can arrange that. Knowing there were only 4 seats to allocate, why not back the candidates already on the ballot rather than someone (SN) who apparently wasn't even committed to a candidacy (hence the Sunday night abrupt adjustment from SN to BJ (so apparently BJ indicated he would run privately, privately withdrew, and then got back in again according to your account and the vote pattern).

The information I picked up may have been backwards. I heard something about BJ not accepting write ins, without clarification as to when in the election this was. It might have been in regards to the end instead of the beginning.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Frankly you guys have a very inflated view of the structure and organization of the Federalist Party, which was referenced early in a previous Wulfric post about "discords". The Federalist Party has had three official discords, all of which have died out each and every time. The right prefers to inhibit independent non-Atlasia exclusive discords that incorporate people not in the game.

The Federalist Party operates through a couple group DMs. It is a handful of people in these DMs that do most of the election work (often counted on one hand) and this time I was not able to be one of them either.

If Cao said little to no thought or organization was put into Lincoln GC, he is more than likely based on my entire experience in dealing with the Federalist Party, telling the truth not only for this election, but for most elections for the past couple of years. In good times, we account for every race in GOTV, in bad situations which August most certainly was, placement of effort is much more discerning.