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« on: July 10, 2020, 02:28:27 AM »

The Titanic was sunk to kill the opponents of the Federal Reserve.

Like a lot of things these days, Titanic has been the victim of online clickbait, social media conspiracy mongering and the cashing in of once respectable networks on the conspiracy mania.

Most every conspiracy theory has been debunked, including the boat switch, the coal fire, the speed of the ship and insurance scam theory.

1. Boat Switch - The number of the ship is literally engraved on every piece, including pieces pulled from the wreck. It took months to furnish the ships, and thus there is just no way there was enough time to strip down both Titanic and Olympic and swap their furnishings, even more so when you throw in the timeline of when Olympic was back at Harland and Wolfe for repairs.

2. The Coal Fire is one of those things that got a lot of hype 2 and 3 years ago, because as I said once reputable networks hopped on this bandwagon with sensationalized, faux documentaries. If anything the coal fire saved hundreds of lives, because shifting coal from one side to the other, created a counter list that might have been what prevented the ship from overturning after one hour like so many models projected would happen. Had that happened, very few would have been able to get off the ship as most lifeboats were not launched until the second hour.

3. Titanic was not running at full speed because her fourth engine was not fired up. Furthermore, it was complete nonsense to try and race ahead of schedule because this would have left the ship stranded in NY Harbor for a whole day with an occupied berth for the ship and hotel rooms still occupied by others expecting a later arrival date. Coming in ahead of schedule would have created many logistical break downs and damaged the company's reputation as a result. But it makes for good drama and it got thrown in the movie, but it is complete nonsense.

4. Insurance scam, White Star didn't fully insure Titanic and it ended up having to sell off boats to avoid bankruptcy. The notion that this was some kind of insurance scam tied in with the boat switch theory is thus bogus as well.

5. Weak Steel. This one is another favorite of faux documentaries but it also doesn't hold up. Olympic was made from the same steel and that ship went through all kinds of hell, especially during WWI where it rammed a U-Boat and survived. No ship was designed to survive a glancing blow on an iceberg, later designs would strengthen the ships to minimize this risk. The Steel wasn't weak by any standard, nor was it weakened by the coal fire enough to make a tangible difference.

It wasn't fire, it wasn't business scheming, it wasn't a plot to eliminate opponents. It was a ship coming upon a difficult to spot ice berg, glancing across it along it's side and compromising too many compartments to maintain buoyancy.

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« Reply #1 on: July 11, 2020, 04:32:37 PM »

The Titanic was sunk to kill the opponents of the Federal Reserve.

Like a lot of things these days, Titanic has been the victim of online clickbait, social media conspiracy mongering and the cashing in of once respectable networks on the conspiracy mania.

Most every conspiracy theory has been debunked, including the boat switch, the coal fire, the speed of the ship and insurance scam theory.

1. Boat Switch - The number of the ship is literally engraved on every piece, including pieces pulled from the wreck. It took months to furnish the ships, and thus there is just no way there was enough time to strip down both Titanic and Olympic and swap their furnishings, even more so when you throw in the timeline of when Olympic was back at Harland and Wolfe for repairs.

2. The Coal Fire is one of those things that got a lot of hype 2 and 3 years ago, because as I said once reputable networks hopped on this bandwagon with sensationalized, faux documentaries. If anything the coal fire saved hundreds of lives, because shifting coal from one side to the other, created a counter list that might have been what prevented the ship from overturning after one hour like so many models projected would happen. Had that happened, very few would have been able to get off the ship as most lifeboats were not launched until the second hour.

3. Titanic was not running at full speed because her fourth engine was not fired up. Furthermore, it was complete nonsense to try and race ahead of schedule because this would have left the ship stranded in NY Harbor for a whole day with an occupied berth for the ship and hotel rooms still occupied by others expecting a later arrival date. Coming in ahead of schedule would have created many logistical break downs and damaged the company's reputation as a result. But it makes for good drama and it got thrown in the movie, but it is complete nonsense.

4. Insurance scam, White Star didn't fully insure Titanic and it ended up having to sell off boats to avoid bankruptcy. The notion that this was some kind of insurance scam tied in with the boat switch theory is thus bogus as well.

5. Weak Steel. This one is another favorite of faux documentaries but it also doesn't hold up. Olympic was made from the same steel and that ship went through all kinds of hell, especially during WWI where it rammed a U-Boat and survived. No ship was designed to survive a glancing blow on an iceberg, later designs would strengthen the ships to minimize this risk. The Steel wasn't weak by any standard, nor was it weakened by the coal fire enough to make a tangible difference.

It wasn't fire, it wasn't business scheming, it wasn't a plot to eliminate opponents. It was a ship coming upon a difficult to spot ice berg, glancing across it along it's side and compromising too many compartments to maintain buoyancy.



Speaking of coal fires, a coal fire in Bunker A13 adjacent to the 6-inch reserve magazine was likely the cause of the explosion and sinking of the USS Maine in Havanna Harbor, as is in line with the findings of the Rickover Report.

Yes ironically, the cause of the Spanish War had nothing to do with Spain.
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« Reply #2 on: July 11, 2020, 04:35:06 PM »

Caught my attention as a child (because of the sinking, I generally skipped over the first half) and eventually developed some nostalgia factor. In a recent rewatch I found it to still be an good movie, in spite of some flaws.

Plus I never watched A Night to Remember until a year ago or so, after which it became my favorite movie concerning Titanic (Goebbels's 1943 take on the disaster is also fascinating to watch, but certainly not for the reasons the Nazis intended).

I have been tempted to rewatch it myself but its length, and the whole love story aspect really dissuades me each April when this urge comes about.

Goebbel's 1943 take? I have not heard of that one. I am guessing in their movie, it was sunk by the Jewish people, the Bolsheviks or both, right?
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