HB 1164: Deregistration Waiting Period Act (Passed)

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

The implication of two is that there is some penalty afterwards, but none is stated here. What is this penalty if any? If I am not mistaken we have yet to establish limits on the return of deregistered persons.

I would oppose doing so, just for the record as I am opposed to the process of active deregistration.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Barring a particularly convincing argument by the yet-unnamed sponsor, I'm afraid I will also have to oppose this bill, for pretty much the opposite reason as Yankee. As a general rule, I'm not a fan of state-imposed waiting periods for personal decisions; from personal experience, I can testify that a quick and clean break from the game is often the best solution for those for whom the heckling and pressure of politics has become too much, and I don't think Congress should be in the business of telling them they can't deregister immediately because a dozen or so insiders in Nyman have decided their "overreacting" or whatever.

But if one is going to restore the restrictions on returning, which could at some point happen, I would prefer this waiting period be in place then not be. At least now the only consequence has is the loss of whatever office said person held when they deregistered.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Barring a particularly convincing argument by the yet-unnamed sponsor, I'm afraid I will also have to oppose this bill, for pretty much the opposite reason as Yankee. As a general rule, I'm not a fan of state-imposed waiting periods for personal decisions; from personal experience, I can testify that a quick and clean break from the game is often the best solution for those for whom the heckling and pressure of politics has become too much, and I don't think Congress should be in the business of telling them they can't deregister immediately because a dozen or so insiders in Nyman have decided their "overreacting" or whatever.

But if one is going to restore the restrictions on returning, which could at some point happen, I would prefer this waiting period be in place then not be. At least now the only consequence has is the loss of whatever office said person held when they deregistered.

I understand this argument, but I'm afraid I find it about as convincing as you find mine. What this ultimately boils down to is Congress trying to protect people from their own bad decisions. In certain contexts, this may be necessary or even desirable; but I don't think this is one of them.

I should also add that I am not at all convinced Congress has the constitutional authority to tell persons they must remain registered with the Census Bureau for a minimum period of time; that goes far beyond the power to "to establish uniform laws of naturalization" established under Article III(6).

Next thing you are going to tell me is the RG lacks the power to deregister people.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I think we need to define penalty.


Right now the only penalty present, is loss of office and your registration. We should put that in the text.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

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[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

If this law is passed, someone who deregistered fice days before an election can vote but would need to declare to have a change of mind ? But the vote is not valid if you say nothing in the registration thread. Is the vote valid if someone declares to reverse derigistration even after the election has begun.

The deregistration takes effect one week after its declare. I think there is a tirthy day period before you can re-register. That makes the deregistration period 37 days no? By having the waiting period you are basically increasing the deregistration period since declaration. 

The voter would be treated as a registered voter until the deregistration takes effect. It isn't retroactive to the date of the request and my amendment actually further clarified that. Since it states as a consequence of deregistration, "removal from the rolls". That means the person will remain on the rolls into the end of the cooling off period, at which point, if they don't say anything, their deregistration is effective and they are removed from the rolls.

As for 37 days, at present I don't think such is in statute, but my brain might be failing me here. If there is such a 30 day limit, that 30 days would start from the effective date of their registration, which is seven days after putting in the request. So it doesn't length the time to re-register in that hypothetical. Since the person is not deregistered in that first 7 days, anyway.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

AYE

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

If this law is passed, someone who deregistered fice days before an election can vote but would need to declare to have a change of mind ? But the vote is not valid if you say nothing in the registration thread. Is the vote valid if someone declares to reverse derigistration even after the election has begun.

The deregistration takes effect one week after its declare. I think there is a tirthy day period before you can re-register. That makes the deregistration period 37 days no? By having the waiting period you are basically increasing the deregistration period since declaration. 

The voter would be treated as a registered voter until the deregistration takes effect. It isn't retroactive to the date of the request and my amendment actually further clarified that. Since it states as a consequence of deregistration, "removal from the rolls". That means the person will remain on the rolls into the end of the cooling off period, at which point, if they don't say anything, their deregistration is effective and they are removed from the rolls.

As for 37 days, at present I don't think such is in statute, but my brain might be failing me here. If there is such a 30 day limit, that 30 days would start from the effective date of their registration, which is seven days after putting in the request. So it doesn't length the time to re-register in that hypothetical. Since the person is not deregistered in that first 7 days, anyway.

I thought the citizen had to withdraw the request in the seven days. So a citizen post a deregistration "notice" but if the person hold an office it doesn't becomes vacant for seven days and the citizen can vote within the seven days. A citizen can deregister on a Monday and vote in an election the following Friday without taking any other action.

I'm ok with giving someone a couple of days to change their mind but making the deregistration effective a week later might expose people who decided to leave to pesky campaign pms if there is an election. 

Indeed, but if they have decided to leave the only effect those PMs would serve is to further convince them of their desire to leave.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

OH yes, send this bill to me. I will give you a waiting period alright.