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« on: May 05, 2015, 02:15:35 AM »

That couldn't have anything to do with how violent crime peaked in the early nineties, right? Variations on the soundbites that you cite in your post - (i.e. "welfare queen" "liberal mugged by reality", "big inefficient government that can't do anything right") - remain staples of Republican rhetoric today, just as they have been for the past several decades. To claim that Clinton ended the appeal of these lines is laughable.

Being used and being effective are two very different things.

They are very effective in states Clinton lost like Louisiana, Arkansas, Tennessee, Kentucky, Missouri, West Virginia and Georgia, oh wait...

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« Reply #1 on: May 05, 2015, 02:18:00 AM »
« Edited: May 05, 2015, 02:24:41 AM by Senator North Carolina Yankee »

As traininthedistance pointed out, part of what's going on is, he's being judged for his actions 20 years ago as if the political environment was the same as it is today. Of course, when Bill Clinton announced his run for the presidency in 1991, not only the Democratic party but the collective left was in the worst shape since 1789. Taking the first steps in the long road back will look unpopular now, when all of the rewards are simply assumed.

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The left was in far worse shape in 1896 (Democrats got the blame for the Depression and rather than embrace the populist insurgents who took the party over, the public embraced the pro-business GOP for the next two decades), 1908 (The stock market had crashed, the economy went into a Depression and WJB still lost to Taft), and 1920 (The base ethnics had literally abandoned them, crashing the decades old base in the Northern cities and leaving them just the most conservative element in the Party, the South).
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« Reply #2 on: May 05, 2015, 02:21:35 AM »

As traininthedistance pointed out, part of what's going on is, he's being judged for his actions 20 years ago as if the political environment was the same as it is today. Of course, when Bill Clinton announced his run for the presidency in 1991, not only the Democratic party but the collective left was in the worst shape since 1789. Taking the first steps in the long road back will look unpopular now, when all of the rewards are simply assumed.

You could say the same of Attila the Hun. A comparison that might be more to the point:

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Grover Cleveland is a far better example to be used then James Buchanan.
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