Senate Protest and Analysis Thread

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

A Visual aid to illustrate my torment:

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

In an attempt to fix some of my internet problems, I think I spent two hours and succeeded only so far as to scramble my AOL software even more. Now I have too dialable versions on my computer (9.5 and Security Edition).


I did managed to isolate the scrolling issue. I logged on as a guest with a different AOL account and the scrolling issue vanished. So that means it isn't IE, its a setting related to my AOL account, which I expected all along, I just had the wrong starting point of the problem.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Ah, nope.

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I think the current system is best because it encourages the administration to establish relationships with certain or even all of the Senators as well as increases activity of the Senators as well. Granted, I better than anyone know there is a big different between sponsoring and supporting legislation and they aren't always occuring together. In spite of this, I think it is generally a good system because it forces interaction between two organs of the gov't, and I beleive such interaction is a key aspect of activity in Atlasia.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

The problem is that middleman also has to in the end vote for your bill in order to get passed, and as PiT said, if you can't get someone to introduce it, how could you ever pass it?

And as Marokai generously reminded me, it is indeed a violation of separation of powers.  

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

OSPR Amendment

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Instead of excluding absentions, the best way to improve the tabling process would be to require 2/3rd's approval of the entire Senate rather then "those voting", and if necessary then increase the length of time to 72 hours rather then two days. It's also more in line with the rest of the OSPR to use increments of time (hours) rather then potentially imply the use of a block day (Also known as BK's Salvation ).

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Email the Vice President.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I spent hours on this new machine just trying to get it to open the Atlas Forum, at all. I couldn't get on AFE/AFG, or the 2012 boards for hours after that. They just wouldn't load.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Even "taxing the rich" has its limits.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

This is just patently ridiculous here.


Instead of trying to argue with Napoleon over a subjective rating of shua's performance, why not instead pursue the original line of complain with an inquiry into just how shua orginated those numbers? He mentioned IRS data tables and such, why not ask for them and for how he translated that into his numbers. All the current line of arguement is going to achieve is pissing somebody off, for no benefit to yourself or your position at all.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

If contacted I probably could have done something to keep things moving along. However, there is a procedural problem with that. The Dean has far less authority to "take over" in such instances. There is a five day minimum innactivity requirement on the part of the PPT. Marokai would have needed BK and his patented OSPR infringement to allow me to take over. Of course the problem with that is the same as the problem with getting BK to do the job himself.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I am fairly certain that the Senate was supposed to start on March 2nd, not stop. Atleast that is how it was way back in the day. Senators these days.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

According to Marokai's post a few weeks ago, sponsorship would fall to the remaining co-sponsors. Someone could be added probably with the agreement of the remaining sponsor and such being properly moved within the procedures once the bill has reached the floor.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Probably whenever Marokai Blue gets replaced as PPT, the VP takes over the job on a permenent basis, or I am empowered to do so. 

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I contacted MB earlier today about his future as PPT. Expect action very soon.

By the way, did you ever publically transfer the authority of the President of the Senate to the PPT as required by the OSPR for the PPT to run the Senate?

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At this point, I don't plan on doing a budget update until someone makes the statute wiki page up to date.  It's really a bit much for me to dig through the forum to find the new spending and tax bills in addition to measuring their impact.

so no ones gonna help me out here

You mean bills since the last update?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

At this point, I don't plan on doing a budget update until someone makes the statute wiki page up to date.  It's really a bit much for me to dig through the forum to find the new spending and tax bills in addition to measuring their impact.

so no ones gonna help me out here

You mean bills since the last update?

Yes, that would be good. Basically everything from 2012 so far.

What about the Noticeboards, would they provide a clear reference as to what is relevant and what isn't?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

At this point, I don't plan on doing a budget update until someone makes the statute wiki page up to date.  It's really a bit much for me to dig through the forum to find the new spending and tax bills in addition to measuring their impact.

so no ones gonna help me out here

You mean bills since the last update?

Yes, that would be good. Basically everything from 2012 so far.

What about the Noticeboards, would they provide a clear reference as to what is relevant and what isn't?

Yeah, that'll work.

46-48 should include all that has been done since the beginning of the year.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

The reduction of the Senate is unavoidable with this change. You are going from 5 regions to 4 regions. I removed 1 At-Large seat to keep it neutral as far as the balance between regions and popular interests so that it doesn't run afoul of the regional rights movement, which would kill it.

Whenever you try to do to many things with these big reforms you fail. If you break down the current balance in the Senate, you open a whole knew can of worms that this doesn't need, because it will be hard enough to do this as it is.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Then your amendment is the very definition of counterproductive and should be defeated. The whole point of reducing the number of regions is to enhance competition and activity. It doesn't so much good if you go and remove the competitive aspects of the At-Large seats. There is no reason why there can't be six At Large seats and give parties a chance to compete for more seats.

This is not my amendment and I do not obligate myself to support it, either. It is up to the person who asked me to introduce it for them to make the case for this. I am neutral at present.

6 At-Large to 4 Regional seats is completely unacceptable. At that point it becomes the same as ILV's amendment.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

That is completely unacceptable. At that point it becomes the same as ILV's amendment.

What, how? Everyone else agrees that replacing regional seats with districts is a bad idea.

Removing Regional Senate seats for any replacement reduces the influence of regions in the lawmaking process. Reducing them from their current state of parity with the At-Large seats has the same effect.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I do not understand what you are trying to say. When ilikeverin remarked on how Northeastern voters are under-represented in the Senate due to population imbalance you applied Northeastern At Large Senators to our delegation to argue it was fair. Either your argument here is full of crap or your argument there was full of crap because it is contradictory to say regions can't be represented by At Large Senators now.

Additionally, I do not understand why I should care less about reducing the voting public's influence in the lawmaking process by reducing seats than reducing regions' influence by not having an exactly equal number of seats for each side. I care more about the game being able to function properly than I do anything else.

No that is not what I was doing. I was playing devil's advocate and that would have been clear had my second post not gotten lost in transmission and the internet refused to cooperate for the rest of that day. Now that bill already seems to be winding down and thus my full range of points that I would have made, won't get to be made most likely. But the primary thrust of my arguement was the same one I made here above. The necessity of maintaining regional seats and maintaining them in equal numbers to the At-Large seats.

That is your decision to make, not mine.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

It was reinstated in 2008.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

It was reinstated in 2008.

Is the bill on the wiki?  I couldn't find it on there.

I have something better, I have the links. They are saved in folder called Senate Bills in My Documents, on the computer that won't go online. I also can't access the folder at present for transference via flash drive because I am running a program on that machine, that won't finish until about 10 PM or so.

Try the Financial Services Reform Act of 2008. I am pretty sure that is what it is called.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

There are no procedures in the OSPR for impeachments that I can see. The Constitution is thus the only guide and if I am not mistaken, it places the ball in the court of the Chief Justice to proceed with them, correct?