The Windjammer-Yankee Dean Reform OSPR Amendment (Final vote)

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

This amendment, largely conceived by the Vice President, is so that he can bring the Dean into the fold and ensure his activity by allowing him to manage slots or handle other duties at his discretion.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Creating positions of Majority and Minority leader, would require the formation of caucuses and the redivisions of the slots amongst them. This will then require a complex formula to arrange the distribution between the two caucuses slots based on the size of each caucus. Considering the bipartisan opposition that arrayed against the caucuses committees towards their end based on their complexity, I cannot imagine us diving into something that is worse in that regard for no practical benefit.

Last year, this was pushed under the guise of the complaints about slow and innefficient procedures, which have largely been corrected. Now the only basis for such a changed, which would actually lead to a decline in the realm of efficiency and speed, is that a political Senate is desirable or that "its what they do in real life", which there again was yet one more critique leveled at the committees from last year.

This is a small game, and it often devoles to a multi-party system frequently, neither of which are compatible with a real life based Senate administration and form the perspective of participatory action, the relative simplicity and fairness of the present system, is preferable to these alternatives.

Edit: Accidentally mixed up my c-words in the first paragraph.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

What about wiki responsibility? I don't think that's already addressed, but certainly splitting wiki responsibility may help. Who would is the Dean of the Senate at the moment anywho? TNF?

Whoever loses the PPT vote becomes Dean basically since TNF and I are the longest serving Senators.

I actually discussed the matter with regards to Wiki responsbility for the OSPR with Windjammer because statute actually tasks the VP with updating the text. We discussed possibly relaxing that and allowing him more flexibility to delegate it to whomever he desires.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Well, Yankee raises a really good point.

For the Minority/Majority leader position, I guess both the Laborites and the Feds/DR/TPP senators can elect among them a Majority (or Minority) leader?

I recall Gass having the title "Minority leader of the Mideast Assembly"

Possibly, but then what happens when the parties change. You also have to  organize the caucuses each Senate and spend time to elect their leaders and so forth, then alot slots to each. An indy who wishes to remain indy would be disadvantaged as well. And then what happens if composition changes or someone switches parties, the alotment has to change. Last year, we had the committee system and it reached the point where a lack of interest caused them to fail, however they were not an integral part of the Senate function and thus could be ignored and the Senate still function, even before they were abolished. The Caucuses would be integral and part of a larger byzantine structure that the Senate needs to function and if they fail, the Senate would fail too.

Last year when the system had clearly failed and we were behind, it could be argued that changed was advisable since the status quo wasn't working. However, we increased slots/cut vote times and have cut the length of multiple sections of the OSPR. From the present situation, such a fundamental chnage would actually lead to a retreat of the efficiency and speed gains achieved in the past nine months.

The best place for a partisan administration would be in an newly created House if the Bicamerialism Amendment were to succeed because not only would that be by design a popular-majoritarian chamber, but also would not come at the expense of the functional aspect as a brand new chamber.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

You cited an example of the Mideast Assembly, what occured there and how did it function in this honorific form?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

It could serve some benefit perhaps, but there is one big hindrance and that is the fact that Atlasians are so divided on numerous issues. On social issues, shua would be first FED+DR+TP member to be gotten for a Laborite push but on economic he would probably be dead last. We have seen all kinds of cleavages on Iraq, Ukraine and various other foreign policy related measures as well. Sometimes Alfred, sometimes Tyrion joining with Lumine and myself against TNF-Bore-shua.

If you want to experiment with it on an informal basis I wouild have no problem with that, provided I presently understand correctly what you are saying , that it would not change the present structure of the Senate administration.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

At the present pace the Federalist convention is moving, it will be a long time before we get to bylaws, that would be where it would be done, no?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

When we complete this we could proceed with changing the statute regarding OSPR wiki duties as we previously discussed.

Minimum debate time expires in eight hours, eight minutes.

After that a final vote can be opened if
1) debate has ceased for 24 hours and a Senator has motioned for it
2) UC has waived the cloture requirement
3) A cloture motion has passed.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I motion for a vote on the underlying OSPR Amendment.


Windjammer, you can open the vote, now.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

AYE

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Don't you mean 24 hours?

Also, since no one voted nay, it isn't even necessary.

But I won't complain, it gives me more time for the next one.