SENATE BILL: Sanity in Foreign Policy Amendment (Veto Override Failed)

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

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[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Talk to me Lumine!

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Why is ithis an amendment and not an act?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Wait a minute, there was another "Actual End to Imperialism Act"? Goddammit, TNF, I know you introduce ten bills a day but you could at least title them differently.

Apparently he came to the conclusion that his first bill was a sellout to the Militarists and hence the insertion of "actual".

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Status: Objection filed by Senators TNF, a vote is now open on the above Amendment. Senators please vote, Aye, Nay or Abstain.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I should have just changed it myself as a format typo.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

AYE


Are we seriously going to spend three days on an amendmnt vote to fix a title error?


I need another aye vote to end this.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

You cannot be serious.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Vote on Amendment 61:72 by Lumine

Aye (7): bore, DC al fine, Goldwater, Lumine, NC Yankee, shua, and TyriontheImperialist
Nay (1): TNF
Abstain (1): Adam Griffin

Didn't VOte (1): Alfred F. Jones

The amendment has passed. This shouild not have needed a vote more or less a three day one.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Procedual motions don't count towards the debate restrictions on opening final votes, discussion of content does or should. Windjammer, depending on whether you count Lumine's post as a mere procedural motion, you can open the vote immediately, or if not then after 24 hours have lapsed since it was posted.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

AYE since a redraft is on the table.

You can call 24 hours on vote changes, Windjammer.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I'd just like to remind everyone that the Actual End to Imperialism Act passed 9-0 with Fed support and with one Senator (Xahar) not voting. There are parts of it that are necessary and very sensible, and again I'd like to say that my strong preference is for a rewrite or an amended version of that bill that keeps the sensible precautions we need. Not a blanket repeal.

Why I have a feeling you might redraft that if this passes?

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Yankeeeeeeeeeeeeee?

Yes I just voted. Is there something else. 



I was hopinjg DemPGH would call for a redraft, as there were some portions I liked as well.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

You can end this man.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I eagerly await the promised redraft from the President.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Wouldn't it have been prudent if at least some aspect of the discussion over whether or not to redraft had occured in public?

Granted I know not which five it was but certainly if it was the stark pro/anti members on either side, then of course it would be rather difficult to find consensus in a redraft. Surely the presence of six ayes, including a member of the Labor party as well as shua, who is hardly a pro-war inteventionist by any means, would indicate that desire for changes extends far beyond just one Senator, no?

Ironically I agree with three, but as for point four, isn't training "foreign military" in the absence of the private side, potentially in our interest? What about joint exercises with Britain, are they banned by this for instance? Or Canada even who would have an interest in defending common borders and body's of water from any number of threats? If it is efficent and cheaper to have a base solely devoted for such purposes, why should it be banned?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Wouldn't it have been prudent if at least some aspect of the discussion over whether or not to redraft had occured in public?

Granted I know not which five it was but certainly if it was the stark pro/anti members on either side, then of course it would be rather difficult to find consensus in a redraft. Surely the presence of six ayes, including a member of the Labor party as well as shua, who is hardly a pro-war inteventionist by any means, would indicate that desire for changes extends far beyond just one Senator, no?

Ironically I agree with three, but as for point four, isn't training "foreign military" in the absence of the private side, potentially in our interest? What about joint exercises with Britain, are they banned by this for instance? Or Canada even who would have an interest in defending common borders and body's of water from any number of threats? If it is efficent and cheaper to have a base solely devoted for such purposes, why should it be banned?

Actually, I found myself looking at An Actual End to Imperialism Act several times, and I really couldn't offer a rewrite that substantially changed it. That's what I mean.

Joint exercises with Great Britain would not be banned, and neither are coalitions. What's banned is to set up a base in a foreign country whose purpose is to train paramilitary forces (i.e., to overthrow strongmen, etc.).

Why was bases solely for training foreign military listed seperate from paramilitary as thus banned also then in your initial post?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Yes, we can proceed with the vote.

Also this needs to be placed into the veto override slot, since we are taking that route.

I must say this puts me in a hell of a bind. I like portions of the law in question on the other hand I think it needs to be scaled back to a certain extent. No we have to make a one or the other decision and neither is really desirable from my perspective.


Thanks a bunch, dear Edward.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Rather Reluctant Aye

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

This needs to be removed from the veto override slot