SENATE BILL: Demilitarization Act of 2014 (Redraft Law'd)

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

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[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Not necessarily because the military works for the gov't and the gov't can regulate what it can and cannot do.

That said, I don't see a problem with having military recruiters on campuses. Its a matter of free choice, no one is forcing you to pick up the brochure.

Clause 2, maybe.

Clause 3, in conjucntion with Clause 1 would severly crimp recruitment.

Clause 4, What is wrong with these programs? Membership is voluntary and for those who select the military as a career, it can be helpful in terms of getting thme ready, which is what school is suppose to do, get people ready for their careers or indirectly so with college preparations.

Clause 5 - We have a high standard and severe limitations on the use of the draft. I hate the system myself, but if we still have a use for the draft in emergency circumstnaces, we should also have a means to put it to use.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

The military has no freedom of speech, because it is a gov't entity. It does what we tell them to do. Only if the military were an independnet entity would the concern be ah a concern, Mr. President. That would violate the principle of civilian control over the military, which is a dangerous road to traverse.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I was never a fan of ROTC either but I certainly don't see why it should be banned.


Also pulling the millitary back and seperating it from the people is only going to make people more suspicious of it and engender the risk of what we experienced post Vietnam with regards to our troops getting treated like crap.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Senators have 24 hours to object.


In some cases the television advertisements have failed. In fact, I recall a discussion once in my marketing class about how The Army of One campaign was an abysmal failure.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

The amendment has passed.


On the flip side though, recruitment is important and they have to have some means to attract it. I am still opposed to clause 1 and also 4 since we still have conscription and would need some way to utilize it in the emergencies that it is limited to. We could change or alter the system though and I would be open to supporting that.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I'm not sure if we're just on different wavelengths here, Sen. Yankee, but why would we need recruitment during emergencies if we have conscription?

Section 4 abolishes the the selective service process. We either need to replace that or keep it sicne we still have the draft in cases of emergencies (tied to a rather high Senate threshold I would add).

I see now that it kind of got merged together with the thoughts on Clause 1.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Ah Alfred?

Anybody?

We could bring this to a vote if there are no other desired amendments.

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[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

So, Section 4 basically abolishes conscription, de facto if not de jure? Is that what you're getting at Yankee?

Basically.

I also don't see a problem with having recruiters at high schools. We regulate the content, we own the damn military. If they are misleading people, then we can change it by statute, you know civilian control and all that. If people don't want it, they can simply keep on walking past that booth and clause 2 would protect their desire to "not walk over".

 If anything driving down elistments, could very well necessitate a peace time draft and I rather prefer it be maintain voluntary (play it out, second and tertiary order of events).

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

So go wtih the final vote?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I must say several times throughout this bill especailly I have missed "Senator" Clarence.


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Status: Objection filed by Senator Alfred, A vote is now open. Senators please vote Aye, Nay or Abstain.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

You can change the standards and guidelines for the recruiters you know. They kind of work for the Gov't, not some third party.


Nay


To repeal the draft would require an amendment and would be best pursued in that mediam, along with which you could attach the abolishment of selective service at the same time either in the amendment or as attached legislation that would go to the President whilst the Amendemnt went to the voters like we did with the At-Large terms just a few weeks ago.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

NAY


Just in case it was lost in that text.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I think I did the same. Alfred's vote confused me into thinking it was a final vote for some reason.

change my vote to AYE

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

There is only one way to end the vote that I know have and would require the Vice President to temporarily rescind my authorization to run this thread thus making the vote illegal. BK did this back early last year on something that turned into a mess, which was the last time I think we had to wheel him in here.


I have contacted those Senators who haven't voted and/or those whose votes don't make sense cosnidering what they have said versus their votes. And it appears I forgot to include Griffin since all those posts of him fighting with the US Navy made me think one of them was a vote.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Vote on Amendment 61:68 by bore:

Aye (7): Adam Griffin, bore, Goldwater, Lumine, NC Yankee, TNF and TyriontheImperialist
Nay (3): Alfred F. Jones, DC al Fine and shua
Abstain (0):

Didn't Vote (0):

The amendment has passed.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

So what now?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

There is only one way to end the vote that I know have and would require the Vice President to temporarily rescind my authorization to run this thread thus making the vote illegal. BK did this back early last year on something that turned into a mess, which was the last time I think we had to wheel him in here.

I remember in my last stint as Vice President this happened and I pointed out that I never explicitly delegated anything to you when you won the PPT election so therefore you technically had no authority to run the Senate, then I retroactively delegated all powers to you except regarding the specific incident in question. Assuming that you were not delegated the VP's powers when you won office at the beginning at the current term, the same trick will work again. PM me if you need further help with this

Senate Rules really need a provision that says something like "any rule can be waived with unanimous consent" or whatev

I am pretty sure we got everyone's votes corrected in time so it shouldn't be necessary. Also it is not so much that help is required, but that I needed the VP to do that and Cincy wasn't available when the issue came up.

Good to see you just the same man.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

So where are we going with this?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Senators, a final vote is now open on this legislation, Senators please vote Aye, Nay or Abstain.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

NAY

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

This has enough votes to pass, SEnators have 24 hours to change their votes.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

This can be ended.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Don't forget to send it to the PResident for executive action.

I think you have state that before it can be removed from the floor.