SENATE BILL: Deregistration Amendment (AFV)

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Throwing this in the Emergency slot, since the next one is soon. Also it is forum Affairs anyway.

I am requesting unanimous consent to waive the minimum debate and cloture requirements, Senators have 24 hours to object.

I am doing this in case something comes up and we need the slot. I don't have to open it when it goes through but I can if needed or if we are finished with this.

I am going to PM homelycooking and have him explain the details.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I would want to see what homely says about switching to an amendment here.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

If seperate is the preferred means and time is limited on this for multiple reasons, I can start a final vote on this tomorrow evening if that is acceptable to everyone.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I object, as I think Senator Bore has an amendment that I plan to co-sponsor.

Amendments to legislation don't have co-sponsors, at least not officially.

Also:

I am requesting unanimous consent to waive the minimum debate and cloture requirements, Senators have 24 hours to object.

How stupid of me to forget I posted this when I made my last post. I waived the minimum debate time, I can start a vote any time I want to now.

I also waived the cloture requirement, and it has been over 48 hours so objections are invalid.

So how long will it take for this amendment to be proposed?

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Status: Senators have 24 hours to object.

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The amendment has been adopted.

Senators this is now at final vote, please vote Aye, Nay or Abstain.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

AYE

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This has enough votes to pass, Senators have 24 hours to change their votes.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

You know I just totally realized that I ed this up. I called 24 hours at six instead of seven but because this is now an amendment, seven votes are needed to pass it, not six. That is what I get for doing stuff at two in the morning and cramming stuff in before the end of the Senate.


Matt you can call 24 hours on vote changes for real here since it is right at seven. Otherwise this vote won't end until November sixth.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Since this has been declared passed, I suppose I must explain why I oppose it.

The law as it currently stands provides a specific, measurable time period- six months, or 3 regular federal elections- in order to be de-registered.  If we throw out the 6-month standard, and start counting every special election toward the three missed elections, a voter could potentially be de-registered in a matter of only a few weeks.  Yes, the de-registered could re-register, but they should not have to be taken by surprise with this.  Also, there is a potential cost to being de-registered; that is, the voter must re-register at least 7 days prior to an election in order for his vote to be counted.

Prior to the Third Constitution, the standard was 8 months, or four elections.  I lobbied the ConCon to have this changed to the current standard, which I believe is appropriate.

Also, this creates more work for the RG.  On that basis, I am surprised Homely was in favor of it.

I would support legislation clarifying the ambiguities in the Constitution that led to the lawsuit.  But, since the court has ruled correctly, that is not even necessary.

Duke, please veto this.

Amendment cannot be vetoed. It has to go to the regions for ratification. I would encrouage you to take this case to the people in an aggressive fashion. It might make the ratification process interesting as well.

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Is there any possible way the Senate could hold another vote on this, before sending it to the regions??  It appears I have changed some minds about this.

Yes but in a round about way and not without a slot free to do it in.

Once an amendment passes, it has to be officially sent ot the regions before it can be pulled from the slot and while a vote can be canceled during its progress, it cannot afterwards.

On the other hand, the Governors don't have to open threads on the ratification and thus can deprive it of ratification thusly whilst a new amendment were considered and voted and sent out. That is what was done when a msitake was msised. It doesnt' work so well for this unfortunately.

Like a said, the best route is a public campaign against it

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I wish this all came up when I proposed it

Its called vetting. In a perfect world, with ten active Senators, such points would be made by one of them. In its absence it would be nice if people would try to speak up before it is too late to do anything about it.