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« on: July 17, 2013, 09:45:45 AM »

 If by "unwelcome consquences" you mean a human life, then it isn't that difficult to "excuse" the preservation of said life. For one's freedoms end when it puts in jeapardy the life or property of another. For record I do support a rape exception, but only until the earliest point of possible viability.

The left seems to have no problem trivializing the sanctity of life the minute it comes to pleasing the Pro-Choice components thereof, but no one is outraged by that. I also find it troubling that now no politician can dare articulate a completely consistent message of life lest they possess the rhetorical skills of a Lincoln, without catching hell for it. I disagree with those who don't include an exception for rape, but I think they should be allowed to articulate that view without being driven from the political landscape as I find it to be founded on an legitimate basis even if I disagree with it.
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« Reply #1 on: July 17, 2013, 10:44:33 AM »

If by "unwelcome consquences" you mean a human life, then it isn't that difficult to "excuse" the preservation of said life. For one's freedoms end when it puts in jeapardy the life or property of another. For record I do support a rape exception, but only until the earliest point of possible viability.

Undesired consequences include STDs and bad feelings for getting raped.

You didn't specify that before.

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1. The "anti-abortion" people are of course outraged.

2. Some people on the Left are vehemently anti-abortion.

3. As a liberal who respects life in the womb I would suggest legislation that prohibits the sale of intoxicating liquors to a pregnant woman to prevent fetal alcohol syndrome.

I would agree with doing that.
 
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As a liberal I prefer that children get objective learning about sexuality including unambiguous teaching that sex involving minors is completely wrong. Sexual freedom includes the right to choose chastity. Children need to recognize that without consent, sex is rape, a terrible and inexcusable crime. Abortion must be available in the event that something goes terribly wrong.

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If an eleven-year-old girl is raped? She can't raise the baby, and if she carries the baby to term she may be unable to have another. 

I support a full term heath exception, we were only discussing the one in this thread and thus I only mentioned that exception. A woman too young to have child or a minor I would think is a special case that would fall almost certianly into the health exception for the reason you stated and as I said, I am not someone who is against reasonable exceptions where they are justifiable, which would include your last and first examples

 
If by "unwelcome consquences" you mean a human life, then it isn't that difficult to "excuse" the preservation of said life. For one's freedoms end when it puts in jeapardy the life or property of another. For record I do support a rape exception, but only until the earliest point of possible viability.

The left seems to have no problem trivializing the sanctity of life the minute it comes to pleasing the Pro-Choice components thereof, but no one is outraged by that. I also find it troubling that now no politician can dare articulate a completely consistent message of life lest they possess the rhetorical skills of a Lincoln, without catching hell for it. I disagree with those who don't include an exception for rape, but I think they should be allowed to articulate that view without being driven from the political landscape as I find it to be founded on an legitimate basis even if I disagree with it.

It's to be expected that the pro-life crowd would have very different intuitions about some of these statements, but surely you and others can understand that these comments are genuinely disgusting for those of us who don't worship at the altar of the cult of the fetus?

Nixy, I cannot even load the list. It just freezes on my screen and stays that way. I only know of about five incidents and some of them I don't even know the exact quote in question.

I stated before that I thought Akin was stupid and disgusting. I thought those that defended his statements or worse, offered support for them, were are also disgusting like Gingrey did. Any comments about the "woman having invited it" is also outrageous, though I don't know the names of who said that. On the other hand I don't think Mourdock was anything but innarticulate (which I said at the time had the effect coming across as an inconsiderate, old man intruding into affairs of young women) and though I disagree with his position on the exception in question, I don't think it should have precluded his election to that seat.

It is not about the "worshipping at the alter of the fetus". Do you support aborting a baby that would be otherwise viable? I don't nor can I justify any reason other then the health of the mother for doing so. It becomes easy at that point, because it is no longer about when life begins that gets into questions of religion in politics, it is entirely about science. If the mother ever has the power of life and death over her child it most certainly ends there, if not before. Last I checked, vast majorities agree and that is how the Late-Term Abortion ban was passed.
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« Reply #2 on: July 18, 2013, 04:30:11 AM »

It is not about the "worshipping at the alter of the fetus". Do you support aborting a baby that would be otherwise viable? I don't nor can I justify any reason other then the health of the mother for doing so. It becomes easy at that point, because it is no longer about when life begins that gets into questions of religion in politics, it is entirely about science. If the mother ever has the power of life and death over her child it most certainly ends there, if not before. Last I checked, vast majorities agree and that is how the Late-Term Abortion ban was passed.

At the very least I support a broad health exception past the point of viability - but I also realize that abortion opponents are correct to argue that this effectively allows anyone who wants an abortion to have one.

The point of viability is a convenient and scientifically legitimate point at which to draw a line, but as far as I'm concerned the philosophical argument that viability is the primary criteria through which we ought to determine the moral standing of an entity falls flat.

Care to explain why?
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