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Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee
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« on: June 24, 2013, 08:01:00 PM »

As far as I am aware, the IDS can't annex the Pacific without its consent per the constitution, if they are still a REgion lacking a gov't that is. If they aren't a region and are unnorganized terrortories, then it is likewise unconstitutional because the power to dispense with territory rests with the Atlasian Senate.
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« Reply #1 on: June 24, 2013, 10:45:15 PM »
« Edited: June 24, 2013, 10:47:08 PM by Senator North Carolina Yankee »

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No one forced the Pacific to shut down their legislature. The Pacific has spoken. They do not want to govern themselves. So, they shall become an integral part of our glorious IDS.

None of which serves as refutation of my points legally speaking. No express consent has been given, therefore the Pacific cannot be annexed.

As for the "Pacific having spoken", I never thought there would come a time when the hijacking of a region by an anti-regionalist cabal, would be considered to be in the best interest of the IDS to be recognized, embraced and taken advantage of for self-centered gain.
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« Reply #2 on: June 24, 2013, 11:17:26 PM »

If you need A to give you B in order to do C and A no longer exists, then obviously you can't be given B and by extension can't do C.

Who shall administer the plebiciste and under whose authority?

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« Reply #3 on: June 24, 2013, 11:38:56 PM »

Not necessarily. The peopel who wrote this claim it to be a region without a gov't in most instances, while some label them unorganized territories (confusion brought on by the name), from a my interpretation the former is most likely the correct assesment. The Court will provide clarity on this matter and whether that passes legal muster, but for right now the document itself delegates the authority to legislate to the Senate, an authority we are going to reject one way or the other. AT the very least an initiative process will be created if this situation is maintained through which the Pacific's residents will be able to retain the ability to legislate on their own behalf.
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« Reply #4 on: June 25, 2013, 12:09:48 AM »

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Perhaps the Senate should consult the people they represent. Public opinion seems firmly against any attempt to re-establish the legislature of the Pacific.

We aren't going to recreate anything. We are going to preserve the integrity of the Senate's legislative responsibilities, and then requires us to reject that of the Pacific. If this Constitution remains in force, we shall delegate the legislative authority of the Region to an initiative process. IF not, then we shall see whether the Courts strike it down in part or in full.

If you need A to give you B in order to do C and A no longer exists, then obviously you can't be given B and by extension can't do C.

Who shall administer the plebiciste and under whose authority?



Organizing a plebiscite would actually be right up our alley on this. What I've argued elsewhere that we've done here is create "2 regions, 1 government", with the Pacific still existing on paper and having Federal representation but in regional issues being represented by the IDS. As for authority, I'd say that our control of the region makes us the prime authority to handle regional affairs like this.

There is absolutely, positively, 100% no legal authority behind any action taken by the IDS with regards to the Pacific save for possibly supporting the force Marokai is sending to keep the peace. Anything else wil lbe assuredly struck down by the courts. There is no way to involve the IDS legally either without the consent of the Pacifc's legislature, which no longer exists, or some vote of its people (of which there is no legal basis for). Therefore, there is nothing left for the IDS or any other region to do in this matter until some process is established whereby the people of the Pacific can express their desire one way or the other. If they elect to be annexed, then we can talk IDS involvement. As for the establishment of that process, that is up to the courts to determine what is legal and for the Senate operating withing the legal authority we presently have, to then determine.

There is urgency here to be sure, however there is nothing that any region do to speed this process up, that won't come at the expense of imposing somehing of equal or even less legality then the present final constitution on the people of the Pacific, in the process.
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