SENATE BILL: Capital Punishment Abolition Amendment (Sent to Regions)

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

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Sponsor: TJ in Cleve

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Senator you have 24 hours to advocate for this.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

This is going to need a new sponsor. Who wants it?

Yankee, is your rule still in place with TJ no longer in office?  I don't think tabling it is necessary at this point since he has already defended the amendment in the Committee and there has been a number of arguments for it posted here.

No, non-Senators can't sponsor legislation, so no I am not going to follow through here. A litte BK style screw the rules, I have....  Now if that weren't the case I would because here is the problem with your argument. The whole purpose of this is force the sponsors to be present at the beginning of the debate. So "other people" defeats the purpose. As for his posts on the committee, if he were to post a link to them, I would think it should suffice, but if someone else does then no. It is all about force the sponsor's presence to be made in the thread from the beginning of the debate.

It is good that you realize that one doesn't have to be PPT to enforce this policy. In fact, since it uses the tabling procedures, anyone could enforce it.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I'll volunteer for sponsorship.

This is going to need a new sponsor. Who wants it?

Yankee, is your rule still in place with TJ no longer in office?  I don't think tabling it is necessary at this point since he has already defended the amendment in the Committee and there has been a number of arguments for it posted here.

No, non-Senators can't sponsor legislation, so no I am not going to follow through here. A litte BK style screw the rules, I have....   Now if that weren't the case I would because here is the problem with your argument. The whole purpose of this is force the sponsors to be present at the beginning of the debate. So "other people" defeats the purpose. As for his posts on the committee, if he were to post a link to them, I would think it should suffice, but if someone else does then no. It is all about force the sponsor's presence to be made in the thread from the beginning of the debate.

It is good that you realize that one doesn't have to be PPT to enforce this policy. In fact, since it uses the tabling procedures, anyone could enforce it.

I don't question the motive behind your rule, I'd just hate to table a bill in the middle of a good debate.

I do too, but if it didn't hurt so much, it likely wouldn't be as effective. Of course the understanding behind it is that it needs a second to get pushed through. Therefore forgiveness is always available if no one seconds. That is what happened with Seatown. However, if a true offender has just dropped off the map and doesn't post or do anything on a bill for several days, I would think seconds would be coming out of the wood work. It is kind of the inverse of the expulsion, with the difference being that default action here is the postive one until motivated otherwise by their actions to procede with trashing the bill, instead of being negative action until someone gives a convincing enough excuse to obtain forgiveness by enough Senators to survive.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Senators have 48 hours to object to Scott's assumption of sponsorship. Damn, I should have asked Nathan to get this started.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Are we ready for a final vote as soon as Scott assumes sponsorship, in about 20 minutes?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Senators, this is now at final vote, please vote Aye, Nay or Abstain.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Nay


It is my opinion that if used on a limited basis, with the strictest of possible standards (not like the crap they pull in Texas and GA), then a region should have the ability to utilize  capital punishment.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I hate it when Senate membership shrinks in the middle of a vote on an amendment.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Don't you feel the same way, BK? How about you Marokai?

I wish this place was impossible to leave. It would be so much easier. Well for me atleast, not so much for everyone else.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

This is 5-2 right now. NVTownsend and Marokai Blue haven't voted on this yet. I think it needs atleast 6 ayes, though I would prefer seven for legitimacy purposes. Considering how both would likely vote, sacrificing such simply because of their innactivity is a real shame in my opinion. I would think the supporters of this should feel that way, as well.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Oh come on, this is just sick people.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Damn it Clarence, couldn't you have voted on this before you resigned?


This has enough votes to pass, I think, Senators have 24 hours to change their votes.


I don't know what his position on the issue is, but had Clarence not resigned, this would be failing right now with only six ayes and three nays, or if he voted nay, 6-4. Only him voting aye, would have made it pass. Consider yourselves lucky.

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[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Vote on Senate Passage of the Capital Punishment Abolution Amendment:

Aye (6): Bacon King, Hagrid, Marokai Blue, Redalgo, sbane and Scott
Nay (3): Ben, NC Yankee and NVTownsend
Abstain (0):

Didn't Vote (1): Clarence (was still Senator when it started)

With six votes in the affirmative and Senate membership declining to 9 durign the vote, the amendment has passed the Senate and is sent to the Regions for ratification.