Regional Protection Party Spring Fling/April Retreat (Unfinished Business)

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

(Will pay handsomely with corporate slush fund money, anyone who can provide a kick-ass photo for this space).




Members:
President Tmthforu94
Senator NC Yankee
Senator AHDuke99
Senator RowanBrandon
Emperor PiT
Governor A-bob
Viceroy Taft4Prez
IDS AG Brandonh
ME Judicial (or something like that, atleast last I was aware ) BBF
Assemblyman Inks.LWC
Darth tb75
Fmr. Assemblyman Cathcon
Fmr. SoFE Teddy
JohannusCalvinusLibertas
ChairmanSanchez
Honest Abe (Winfield)


Note: Under current bylaws, All NON-RPP CANDIDATES SEEKING RPP ENDORSEMENT FOR APRIL AT-LARGE ELECTIONS MUST BE DECLARED CANDIDATES IN THE DECLARATION THREAD AND IN THIS THREAD BY APRIL 15th!!!!
Declaration for RPP endorsement period (48 hours longs) begins April 13th and ends April 15th, with a 72 hour vote by RPP members to follow starting on the 15th and ending on the 18th.
This is to be in compliance with the 2010 fusion voting act, and to ensure that the RPP endorsement vote actually gets reflected by the official ballot, which in prior years hasn't occured due to delayed declarations/vote periods leading to votes being finished after the offical ballot has been used by Absentee voters.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

So what do you gentleman want to do first. I am incredibly bored, and feel like having some fun.   (Everyone scatters as quickly as possible)

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Its the equivalent of a convention basically. Our primary purpose is to endorse candidates for April At-Large elections as per the Fusion voting act or whatever that was called. We can also deal with other matters as well. I would strongly encourage the opportunity to be taken to promote and seek any changes or ideas that have been formulated with regards to the party. Just don't piss anyone off on a permenent basis.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Did I forget to mention that is only for non-RPPers?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

It'd be awful kind of the RPP to endorse me for Assembly in the NE

hmm, that would be a different process and held separately. When does that election start?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Non-RPP Senate candidates have 48 hours to declare their intention to seek RPP endorsement.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

It'd be awful kind of the RPP to endorse me for Assembly in the NE

hmm, that would be a different process and held separately. When does that election start?

Our election is held this friday, I believe. Lord only knows if the Governor will open the booth on time though.

Not much I can do in one day.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

So only shua then?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Well I guess Shua gets endorsed by default.


Any objections? Not enough time to hold a vote now anyway.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

They's sheep are asleep.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Bumping for use tomorrow. Maybe later since I have to do assignments tomorrow. We'll see.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Can we elect some sort of Deputy Chair to ensure everything gets moved to a vote on time and what?

The main problem wasn't the vote, but that nobody actually declared in time. I could have held that vote, but it likely wouldn't have finished in time to be included on the ballot hence why I decided to forgo it. The whole system needs changing but each time we have a convention or midterm meeting we run out of time.

Another concern is FOR THE ONE HUNDRETH TIME, WILL SOMEONE PLEASE TAKE THE NE REGIONAL CHAIRMANSHIP?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Lastly, we do need to hold leadership elections, since I believe we haven't had one since I was first elected chairman back in Nov 2009. Never intended to be like that, but once again election gets here and nobody wants to deal with party business anymore. Well thats going to change.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Ah. Then say

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You misunderstood what I said.  

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I have no problems with Shua, I preferenced him fairly well. I did not like the way our endorsement of him was handled though. If he was too late, he should have not got our endorsement, and if he was not too late, then we should have had a vote.

He was on time, go back and check.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Then why did we not have a vote?

The whole process was started too late to be practical. I Thought I started it early enough this time, but obviously it wasn't. The other problem is that the candidates like to wait to the last minute to jump in and it was early enough that no one other than shua to get in, but too late for me to conduct a 72 hour vote in time for the results to appear on the ballot. I expected an absentee ballot on Wednesday to be released by Franzl and as such I considered Wednesday the cutoff. (Remember when you were SoFE and vote didn't finish in time). Can't go later, because it won't finish in time, and can't go earlier because already no one sought it except Shua and going earlier would worsen that problem.

With a declaration deadline so close to the election, there is no fair democratic way to conduct these damn endorsements in time to comply with the law. It is a joke. We aren't the only ones who have had this problem with votes running over, either. So please stop the grandstanding on this "not being done right". I am not aware of but one or two instances where any party did it right since last summer when it was passed by the Senate.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I don't care if anyone does it right or not. We should try. AFAIK candidates need to declare by Wed morning. That means that a 72 hour party endorsement must begin at the end of Saturday. I don't know how long we have for sign-ins but it seems a very long time, another 72 hours? So that means the convention must open by late Wednesday, which is a full week before the election, which is far too long.

Why, on earth, do we leave 72 hours for all this crap? If someone does not care to log in once every day, much less once every 48 hours, then they should not have a vote.

 Look at the freakin situation. We are supposed to hold an endorsement vote for candidates and complete it before the filing deadline, meaning candidates can drop out and jump in after we have endorsed people. You start it too early, and no one is paying attention and they miss the declaration period for party endorsements. You start too late and the vote doesn't get completed in time. I did try, Teddy, I really don't appreciate you acting as if I didn't. The fact remains that this system is the defination of insanity here.

Party member sign in is purely cosmetic and has no real purpose. It also has nothing to do with why this screwed up system wasn't complied with without a hitch. The problem was I did the math, time for declarations and the vote and I had enough. However, I didn't alot much intervals in between to actually start the damn vote. And sorry for living but I can't be on here 24/7. Thats why the vote ended up not happening. Its easy to monday morning quarterback my decisions but you didn't have to make them, I did.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

What do you want to change then?


As I see it, we either move the filing deadline back, or we repeal this fusion voting Act?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

We don't even need it really. We can still hold endorsement votes, but on our own time and terms, without it.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

If you missed it by sleeping or whatever (and recall, I did this while SoFE, so I am not trying to attack you) then that's why we could use a deputy. There's less of a chance th

...Actually, as I said above, I've said my piece. My mind is not changed, but it's not worth it to get into a big fight.

The party has a leadership structure you know.

I am willing to listen to any real change but so far you haven't offered anything.


I wasn't sleeping. I had spotty electricity and internet because of this Teddy:
http://www2.nbc17.com/news/2011/apr/22/nws-april-16-storms-largest-tornado-outbreak-nc-hi-ar-971019/

I don't remember when I finally got on here that day, it may have been late that day or on Sunday, but I did post this on Sunday, April 17th:

So only shua then?

Which is when I decided a vote was impractical and unecessary with only one person. With no lag time, losing one day made the difference. And I do have a Vice Chairman, Teddy. Trouble is I usually try and do most of the stuff and thus they aren't used to stepping in and filling the void when I can't.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

It took me a while to figure out what the problem actually is, which appears to be in the last line of your last post.

edit -

What I am saying is this
1 - Something went wrong.
1a - Because if nothing went wrong, we would have held a vote
2 - Whatever went wrong needs to be fixed.
2a - so that it does not happen again.
2ai - because wrong things are not supposed to happen and we should make not wrong things happen.

You want me to not do everything?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Are you saying we should create a new position called the "deputy". No such position currently exists in the RPP.

Which reminds me of one of the reasons we are here, review and improve the bylaws.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Ah once a midwesterner, always a midwesterner.


You know part of my "delegating authority issue" is that when I do delegate, I like to do so to a collective, rather then one person. This is the way I most prefer to lead the party as it is most inclusive and most successfull (unless of course one isn't active and thus doesn't participate in discussion which happens a lot). However as noted in the parenthesis the pendemic innactivity is just murdering me in a brutal and uncivilized fashion.

So once again, if any RPPer has lost the link or currently doesn't have an account on the private forum, let me know via PM.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Teddy, did you get on successfully, the site has been having difficulties.



I am right now (I realize only about 3 RPPers are actually going to read this), considering a full leadership election to begin this week sometime. I had hoped to do so earlier but something happened in RL, and cost me my Saturday (INTOLLERABLE!!!).

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

What exactly does the leader do anyway? I might toss my hat in the ring.

There isn't such a position. By full leadership election, I mean elections for Chairman, Vice Chairman, Regional Chairs and any other positions.


Maybe we should consider revising the bylaws first then the do the elections.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I have no complaints with the idea. But we need a bylaw amendement. Are the current bylaws on the wiki?