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[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

RPP members lack the testicular mas necessary to stand up to Fluffy. Yankee basically admitted he wouldn't be doing things differently from DWTL, only changing the public face and image. If Duke couldn't, how could an asylum patient?

Furthermore, most of their members have no backbone and are just flat out power hungry. If PiT were a real libertarian, he'd be supporting the small government party, not the theocratic populists. Their whole facade is a farce and attention needs to be paid to it. They are not only bigots, but hypocrites and liars.

It would be quite humorous to see Fluffy lose after all but moving into a Senate office months before the election.

     You mean I'd vote for the paleocon?

You wouldn't vote for anyone who wasn't a racist or a rapist.

     Vepres is a racist/rapist? I know Mechaman called him an uncle molester, but that was in good fun I assume.

Vepres may not be a racist or rapist, but that is likely due to his lack of intellectual capability. He WOULD be a racist or rapist if he knew how to. Also, Vepres is more of a paleocon than Mint, not that you actually would care to know because you are a power hungry partisan who would rather feed the theocrats than stand up for beliefs. It's okay, PiT.

LOL, your absolute hatred for me has no real basis, you're just making yourself look bad.

I'm probably the fourth or fifth most libertarian person, if not in the top three, active in fantasy politics.

But you are not a Libertarian for the the almighty Alexander Hamilton have spoketh and labeled you as non-libertarian.  It seems libertarian is becoming a code word for "Friend of Hamilton". I feel sorry for SPC, Giovanni, Vepres, PiT and some degree Winston.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I'm probably the fourth or fifth most libertarian person, if not in the top three, active in fantasy politics.

wow


lol

Yeah, Vepres idea of libertarianism is "I don't have to stand up for what I say I believe in when the chips fall and my political friends are circling the wagons against it."

So every Libertarian who refuses to join the ARC is no longer a Libertarian. My if we tried this sh**t we would be crucified yet the ARC can get away with this crap. Where is the obnoxious feel good leftists media organizations when you need them?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I'm probably the fourth or fifth most libertarian person, if not in the top three, active in fantasy politics.

wow


lol

Yeah, Vepres idea of libertarianism is "I don't have to stand up for what I say I believe in when the chips fall and my political friends are circling the wagons against it."

So every Libertarian who refuses to join the ARC is no longer a Libertarian. My if we tried this sh**t we would be crucified yet the ARC can get away with this crap. Where is the obnoxious feel good leftists media organizations when you need them?

You won't win them over by calling them obnoxious.

I was reffering to papers like the one run by Marokai Blue. I doubt he will ever be in the RPP.

Why the hell does everyone misunderstand me?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I'm probably the fourth or fifth most libertarian person, if not in the top three, active in fantasy politics.

wow


lol

Yeah, Vepres idea of libertarianism is "I don't have to stand up for what I say I believe in when the chips fall and my political friends are circling the wagons against it."

So every Libertarian who refuses to join the ARC is no longer a Libertarian. My if we tried this sh**t we would be crucified yet the ARC can get away with this crap. Where is the obnoxious feel good leftists media organizations when you need them?

Waiting until after the election.

Are you even technically still able to do that now that you are a Justice?

Congrats by the way. I would send you a PM saying that, but you wouldn't read it.

I'm probably the fourth or fifth most libertarian person, if not in the top three, active in fantasy politics.

wow


lol

Yeah, Vepres idea of libertarianism is "I don't have to stand up for what I say I believe in when the chips fall and my political friends are circling the wagons against it."

So every Libertarian who refuses to join the ARC is no longer a Libertarian. My if we tried this sh**t we would be crucified yet the ARC can get away with this crap. Where is the obnoxious feel good leftists media organizations when you need them?

You won't win them over by calling them obnoxious.

I was reffering to papers like the one run by Marokai Blue. I doubt he will ever be in the RPP.

Why the hell does everyone misunderstand me?

You're asking for their help.

I am not asking for anyone's help. Just making a point, and picking on my friend on the other side of the isle. Is that no longer allowed, Master Xahar?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I'm probably the fourth or fifth most libertarian person, if not in the top three, active in fantasy politics.

wow


lol

Yeah, Vepres idea of libertarianism is "I don't have to stand up for what I say I believe in when the chips fall and my political friends are circling the wagons against it."

So every Libertarian who refuses to join the ARC is no longer a Libertarian. My if we tried this sh**t we would be crucified yet the ARC can get away with this crap. Where is the obnoxious feel good leftists media organizations when you need them?

You won't win them over by calling them obnoxious.

I was reffering to papers like the one run by Marokai Blue. I doubt he will ever be in the RPP.

Why the hell does everyone misunderstand me?

You're asking for their help.

I am not asking for anyone's help. Just making a point, and picking on my friend on the other side of the isle. Is that no longer allowed, Master Xahar?

I don't see why you complain about being misunderstood when you make no attempt to understand what other people are saying.

Because I don't take you seriously as I do other people so forgive me for not putting much effort into translating "Ancient Xaharian"

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Oh I won't be quite as vicious I think and I'll stop commenting directly on Senate matters (for the most part..) and I certainly won't comment on questions of constitutionality, but I'm not going to simply disappear.

Marokai dissappearing would be an absolute crisis for Atlasia. We could never allow that to occur.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

What happened in the last session was a complete anomaly. I do not see us going through three PPT's in one session again, anytime soon. If it were to occur on multiple occasions, then of course I would consider supporting it.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

FWIW, I support the bill. The VP's role should be expanded to something more constructive than waiting for the President to take a leave of absence and casting tie-breaking votes. It's somewhat akin to the VP in RL being President of the Senate. It's just the modern VP role of acting as a shadow president leaves too little time for such duties except to cast tie-breakers. John Adams, for example, frequently acted as "PPT" of the RL Senate.

It just seems like an unecessary change to me, I don't know maybe its because I don't like the idea of the office being removed while I am in the position. just kidding.

All joking aside though, what happened in the last senate was a rare occurance. I doubt you will find an occasion where we are reduced to 7 members again and I doubt that two of them will have been PPT prior to removal. A very rare occurance indeed, we shouldn't be making changes based on the occurance of an anomaly, instead they should be based on reoccuring events.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

In my opinion, it's always good to have a backup in case of a leave of absence, especially in the case of an internet forum. Bacon King was an exception, not the rule, when it comes to Vice Presidents and their activity. In Atlasia, as in real life, the VP is pretty much a seat warmer in case the President is incapacitated to the point where he cannot serve. In that event, the position becomes useful. One cannot "force" activity, and if some VP, who's duty it was to lead the Senate, became inactive, then the government would have to go through the motions to find someone else fit to serve, creating unneeded drama and work.

In short, don't change what ain't broken. The Masterjedi incident was not the norm.

I don't think it was MJ's sudden inactivity that motivated this rather the events of December in which three people ascended to the PPT because two Senators where appointed to other offices who just so happened to be the PPT.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Proposal to save space at the top of this forum:

This thread be moved to the government forum.

"This thread" already exists in the Government fourm, serving exactly the same purpose.

It was put here as a way to increase involvement of non senators in the debate and prevent cluttering of the debate threads.  The one in the gov't forum is only used for Pre-debate debate.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

In my opinion, it's always good to have a backup in case of a leave of absence, especially in the case of an internet forum. Bacon King was an exception, not the rule, when it comes to Vice Presidents and their activity. In Atlasia, as in real life, the VP is pretty much a seat warmer in case the President is incapacitated to the point where he cannot serve. In that event, the position becomes useful. One cannot "force" activity, and if some VP, who's duty it was to lead the Senate, became inactive, then the government would have to go through the motions to find someone else fit to serve, creating unneeded drama and work.

In short, don't change what ain't broken. The Masterjedi incident was not the norm.

I don't think it was MJ's sudden inactivity that motivated this rather the events of December in which three people ascended to the PPT because two Senators where appointed to other offices who just so happened to be the PPT.

My point remains. Those events were exceptions. It's about as silly as the argument that we should abolish the electoral college because it didn't work 2/44 times in our history. If something works 9.5/10 times, it's ludicrous to change it for the 0.5/10 times it doesn't work.

Well, in some situations 95% of efficiency is acceptable and sometimes 95% of efficiency is not acceptable. In this case, the PPT case, 95% is acceptable. In some other cases, like sending people to jail, being right 95% isn't acceptable, since there is 5% of non guilty prisoners.

Exactly. In addition, the chances we have an inactive VP is much higher than the chances the PPT goes inactive. One can talk about the VP having to be more active all they want - it doesn't mean it will happen. Bacon King has just been a great Vice President and has been able to step in when we needed him. His activity for a VP is almost unprecedented.

And the recent modifications basically turns the debate into one of activity of the PPT versus activity of the veep and historically the PPT has been more active.