Where your ancestors were from?

[dunn]

jewish, from Israel. my mother is ftom Romanian orign, my father's ancestor from what is today the ukraine

[dunn]

Austria, Ireland, Native American, Palestinian mostly.

Austria (Fathers Side)- Related to the Hapsburg family. Notables members include : Frederick the Great. List goes on and on to long for this forum lol I trace my lineage back to 1497. My last name was granted from the King of Austria also called Oesterreich (EasterEmpire), for valor in battle against the Turks in the defence of Vienna.

Irish(Mothers side) - Stock poor working Irish, Colonists to the US, fought in the War of Northern Aggression against the tyrannical Lincoln.

Native American(Mothers Side) - Apache of a Northern tribe, dont know to much about it.

Palestinian(Fathers Side) - My grandmother was born there (Ramallah). Family was mostly run out due to the creation of the "state" of Israel.

StatesRights
Yoy have a name that speaks for itself. I guess you are for independence for all people unless they are jewish.

[dunn]

StatesRights
Yoy have a name that speaks for itself. I guess you are for independence for all people unless they are jewish.

Did I say Jewish people dont have the right to independence? Dont judge before you know the facts. Thanks.

so why "state" and not just state

[dunn]

Palestinian(Fathers Side) - My grandmother was born there (Ramallah). Family was mostly run out due to the creation of the "state" of Israel.

Nobody was run out due to the creation of Israel. The Jews had lived in Palestine since the 1800's alongside the Arabs. It was the Arabs who tried to drive out the Jews. Also, You cant be Palestinian since it isnt a race, or a nation thats developed its own traits and culture. Hell, Palestine only existed as a nation from 1918 to 1948. You are Arab

ncjake
there was never a palestine nation or state. the british rulled palestine/land of Israel 1918-1948. the country had jews and arabs.
BTW there was a small jewish presrnce in this country in a few placees since 2000 bc  till our time. Hebron had jewih population since king David untill 1929 when the Arab masscered most of them

[dunn]

It's not if you know the history

[dunn]

"There are Christian Arabs and Jewish Arabs "

there is no such thing as a jewish arab....

[dunn]

"There are Christian Arabs and Jewish Arabs "

there is no such thing as a jewish arab....

sephardics, my friend is one

ncjake
I am jewish and an Israeli. sephardics are not arabs it's like saying a latino is  an Indian.

[dunn]

Palestinian(Fathers Side) - My grandmother was born there (Ramallah). Family was mostly run out due to the creation of the "state" of Israel.

Nobody was run out due to the creation of Israel. The Jews had lived in Palestine since the 1800's alongside the Arabs. It was the Arabs who tried to drive out the Jews. Also, You cant be Palestinian since it isnt a race, or a nation thats developed its own traits and culture. Hell, Palestine only existed as a nation from 1918 to 1948. You are Arab

Actually Palestinians are Semetic and more closely related to Jews then to Iraqis. And my people weren't Muslim. We were Coptic Christians.

Palestinians are Arabs. Arabs are semetic. Arabs are related to Jews. Arab doesnt equal Muslim. There are Christian Arabs and Jewish Arabs as well. Palestinians are no differant in racial makeup from Saudi Arabians or Kuwaitis. You should seriously learn more about your heritage

Arabs are from Saudi Arabia. Iranians are Persian because their nation was formely known as Persia. And actually Palestinians have quite a interesting mix: Arab, Greek, Roman, Jewish. Its been more in recent history where the Arab/Muslims have been taking over the region, but believe me their are quite a few Blue Eyed lighter olive skinned Palestinians running around. Believe me I've seen them first hand.

He's right about that one

[dunn]

It's not if you know the history

It was a bloody Civil War, prompted by the Arab's refusal to accept the UN plan for dividing Palestine/Israel and the subsequent creation of the state of Israel. That was resulted in a lot of people on both sides getting driven out, making the Israeli area mostly inhabited by Jews and the occupied territories mostly inhabited by Arabs. And I do know a little history.

I know you do; didn't mean it like that...it's not civil war b/c it's two societies not one divided. what you call the occupied territories was under jordan and Egypt in 1948-1967. how come these arab countries did not gave their brothers state or political rights?
 no c**ntry in the world but Pakistan accapted jordan anexation of this part of Eretz Israel/Palestine. yet then it not 'occupied'. When Israel was attacked yet again and won (sorry for that), coming back to the places the holiest to the jews and where the jews started as a nation it became 'occupied'.  

[dunn]

It's not if you know the history

It was a bloody Civil War, prompted by the Arab's refusal to accept the UN plan for dividing Palestine/Israel and the subsequent creation of the state of Israel. That was resulted in a lot of people on both sides getting driven out, making the Israeli area mostly inhabited by Jews and the occupied territories mostly inhabited by Arabs. And I do know a little history.

I know you do; didn't mean it like that...

OK.

it's not civil war b/c it's two societies not one divided. what you call the occupied territories was under jordan and Egypt in 1948-1967. how come these arab countries did not gave their brothers state or political rights?

I was actually referring to the Arab occupation in my post and have asked that exact question many times...I am generally pro-Israel so there's need to get defensive.

On the matter of it being 2 societies I think it's reasonable to call it a civil war b/c of its character and the fact that people were mixed up a lot. Just like the Yugoslavian war was a civil war. Also, my dad had a Jewish friend who was an officer in the Israeli army. He lived in Sweden but went home to fight in the wars. He always refused to talk of the 1948 war, in which he participated as a young man, b/c it had been such a horrible civil war-like experience. He was proud of his service in the Six Days War in a very different way.

ok king Gustaf..

I see your point.

[dunn]

[dunn]

Oh I forgot to mention my Great Aunt is Hannan Ashwari. Some of you may have heard of her.

auooch

[dunn]

This is an interesting thread. My heritage is 3/4 Jewish-European and 1/4 Italian.

Specifically, Russian-Polish-Latvian-Italian (Sicilian).

Do you see yourself as jewish?

[dunn]

Oh I forgot to mention my Great Aunt is Hannan Ashwari. Some of you may have heard of her.

Yeah, she's the Palestinians only real hope, isn't she?

The only Palestinians real hope is to get Sharon out of office.

Sharon is willing to give your guys a state, but they use terror , they did it with Barak, Rabin, Peres and Netanyahoo. the problem is Arafat that do not want peace

[dunn]

I dont want to start a flame war, but the Israelies have done their fair share of "terrorism". I also remember the U.S.S. Liberty. A intentional attack on a US Navy ship. And we still send them 3 billion a year.

C'mon
That was a mistake in 1967, and do you support the tyrany of Arafat? I thougt you are a pro-democracy guy.

but you are right about one thing, let's not start a flame war

[dunn]

The crew of the USS Liberty would disagree with that. Check out [link]www.ussliberty.org[/link]. I just think if the military tension of the area was removed the Palestinians would have more peace with themselves and with the Israelies. Both sides are guilty and both sides need to sit down and say enoughs enough.

well what's reason there was to attack a friendly ship?
and yeah both sides are to blame its just that 'yours' is waaay bigger

[dunn]

Thats the million dollar coverup. The crew members have testified that the first wave of attack aircraft were unmarked. The crew believe that it was a plot to blame Egypt and get US Intervention. But Johnson didnt want to get involved because of his war in Vietnam. Over 800 hits and a torpedo hit is not an accident, especially when the crew took down the small US Flag and put up the Holiday US Flag at the beginning of the attack.

if I start with conspearcy theories we can go for ever. go blame Arafat and his people for the situation of the arabs you call palestinians

[dunn]

what about witnesses and documents of Arafat stilling billions from his people?

but we said no more ...

[dunn]

I thought it was the opposite. Oh well I'm Jewish, reform Judiasm to be specific, which is like the unitarian or presybyterian branch of Judiasm. In other words we are not bound to any beliefs or responsibility, so most of us are non-religious.

Did I mention Adam Sandler belongs to our synagogue, and stops by on a semi-annual basis?

it is by the mother's

[dunn]

I thought it was the opposite. Oh well I'm Jewish, reform Judiasm to be specific, which is like the unitarian or presybyterian branch of Judiasm. In other words we are not bound to any beliefs or responsibility, so most of us are non-religious.

Did I mention Adam Sandler belongs to our synagogue, and stops by on a semi-annual basis?

it is by the mother's

Yep, which means I could be a Jew if I wanted to.

if your mother is jewish you ARE jewish

[dunn]

I thought it was the opposite. Oh well I'm Jewish, reform Judiasm to be specific, which is like the unitarian or presybyterian branch of Judiasm. In other words we are not bound to any beliefs or responsibility, so most of us are non-religious.

Did I mention Adam Sandler belongs to our synagogue, and stops by on a semi-annual basis?

it is by the mother's

Yep, which means I could be a Jew if I wanted to.

if your mother is jewish you ARE jewish

Yeah, but I don't act like one, I mean I could be Jewish 'officially'.

How does one 'acts'?

[dunn]

I thought it was the opposite. Oh well I'm Jewish, reform Judiasm to be specific, which is like the unitarian or presybyterian branch of Judiasm. In other words we are not bound to any beliefs or responsibility, so most of us are non-religious.

Did I mention Adam Sandler belongs to our synagogue, and stops by on a semi-annual basis?

it is by the mother's

Yep, which means I could be a Jew if I wanted to.

if your mother is jewish you ARE jewish

Yeah, but I don't act like one, I mean I could be Jewish 'officially'.

How does one 'acts'?

Well, have any sort of connection to the Jewish community, religion, habits, etc. But I see that it depends on how you view the defintion. I always thought of Jews as a people, and my people are the Swedes. But I was primarily thinking of becoming an Israeli citizen, which would be an official step.

you kidding me

[dunn]

Jewish is a religion, not a race. The people of Israel now are Jewish in religion, but most are not true HEBREWS that originally lived there at the time of Jesus. Most Israelies are Russian or Eastern European.

1. there are more Sefaradic (oriental-middle eatren) jews then Ashknazi (eastern europ) jews in Israel today.
2. Jewish is religion AND race.
3. there are about 20% non jewish in Israel itself (mostly muslims, but also christians, druz, etc)

[dunn]

Jewish is a religion, not a race. The people of Israel now are Jewish in religion, but most are not true HEBREWS that originally lived there at the time of Jesus. Most Israelies are Russian or Eastern European.

I know plenty of atheists who are very Jewish. I have always viewed them as a people, a combination of ethnic and cultural traits, but that's me.

and it's the true

[dunn]

Jews are very afraid of religion

not more or less then any other