SB 2016-074: Amend. to Art. 1, Sect. 6 of the Constit. (Passed) (user search)
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Author Topic: SB 2016-074: Amend. to Art. 1, Sect. 6 of the Constit. (Passed)  (Read 2654 times)
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« on: April 10, 2017, 05:10:30 PM »
« edited: May 23, 2017, 11:42:43 AM by Senator PiT, PPT »

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Sponsor: Siren

     I hereby open the floor for debate.
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« Reply #1 on: April 10, 2017, 05:12:19 PM »

     We have a substantial backlog of old House bills, so I decided we need to start cutting through them. This one passed a while ago, but has been overlooked.
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« Reply #2 on: April 13, 2017, 02:03:04 AM »
« Edited: April 13, 2017, 02:05:54 AM by Senator PiT, PPT »

     Those arguments are always relevant, because they deal with the foundational principles of the liberal society. I favor a Constitutional ban on the draft, because I believe that a country that must rob people of their fundamental rights to defend itself is not worth defending. We are better than that, and our citizens volunteer in large numbers to staff our military in recognition of that fact.
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« Reply #3 on: April 21, 2017, 10:18:48 PM »

     If there are no more comments, I can open a final vote in 24 hours.
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« Reply #4 on: April 23, 2017, 08:52:05 PM »

     I hereby open a final vote on this bill. Please vote aye, nay, or abstain.
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« Reply #5 on: April 24, 2017, 09:19:15 PM »

     Aye. This bill has enough votes to pass; Senators have 24 hours to change their votes.
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« Reply #6 on: April 25, 2017, 09:24:26 PM »

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« Reply #7 on: April 26, 2017, 10:24:07 PM »

     I hereby open a vote on the motion to suspend the rules. Please vote aye, nay, or abstain.
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« Reply #8 on: April 27, 2017, 11:48:40 AM »

     Aye
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« Reply #9 on: April 28, 2017, 05:38:59 PM »

     This motion has enough votes to pass; Senators have 24 hours to change their votes.
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« Reply #10 on: April 29, 2017, 11:44:24 PM »

     The motion has passed. This amendment has returned to the floor.
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« Reply #11 on: April 30, 2017, 10:05:56 PM »

     I like changing "involuntary servitude" to "forced labor". I am unsure whether prison in general would be deemed "involuntary servitude", but, supposing I am interpreting that phrase the same as Senator Siren is, "forced labor" conveys the intention far more specifically.
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« Reply #12 on: May 01, 2017, 12:33:47 PM »
« Edited: May 01, 2017, 09:22:26 PM by Senator PiT, PPT »

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     I am proposing this as an amendment, and we can propose more later if we want to. Does the sponsor accept the amendment as friendly?
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« Reply #13 on: May 01, 2017, 09:22:55 PM »

This is really specific, but technically the comma after "slavery" ought to be removed, as the omission of the "except as punishment..." clause renders it grammatically irrelevant.

     Edited my proposed amendment to axe the comma. Smiley
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« Reply #14 on: May 02, 2017, 01:37:37 PM »

     Senators have 24 hours to object to the friendly amendment.
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« Reply #15 on: May 03, 2017, 12:15:38 PM »


     I am proposing this as an amendment, and we can propose more later if we want to. Does the sponsor accept the amendment as friendly?

I would remind you that the "indentured servitude" that was being declared unconstitutional back in the day was either 1) forced as a means of paying off a debt, 2) Contractual. The (US) Founders sought to ban both. Replacing it with forced labor, would in my view legalize the latter. Also servitude can exist in forms other than labor, correct?
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     If it is contractual involuntary servitude, does that basically just mean a job that you are not allowed to quit?
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« Reply #16 on: May 04, 2017, 05:48:02 PM »

     With no objections the amendment is adopted.
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« Reply #17 on: May 09, 2017, 11:24:05 AM »

     Any more comments? We can proceed to a final vote in 24 hours if not, but given that we voted on this once and pulled it back we should take more care to be sure we are happy with this language.
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« Reply #18 on: May 11, 2017, 11:58:48 AM »

Probably a dumb question, but better to ask than not cover all the bases: would community service constitute "forced labor?"

     That is a good question, given that banning community service as a sentence would promote harsher fines and jail terms for misdemeanor offenders. I don't think anyone particularly cares for that outcome.
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« Reply #19 on: May 11, 2017, 12:05:36 PM »

     What is the sponsor's response to the amendment?
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« Reply #20 on: May 13, 2017, 07:52:32 PM »

     A 72-hour vote is now open on the amendment. Senators, please vote aye, nay, or abstain.
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« Reply #21 on: May 15, 2017, 01:56:43 PM »

     Aye
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« Reply #22 on: May 17, 2017, 02:48:49 PM »

     I messed up the title; this is still just a vote on the amendment. The amendment is adopted.
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« Reply #23 on: May 19, 2017, 11:50:39 AM »

     If there are no more comments I can take this to a final vote in 24 hours. Let's be sure that we are happy with this, though.
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« Reply #24 on: May 20, 2017, 02:38:00 PM »

     A final vote is now open on this amendment. Please vote aye, nay, or abstain.
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