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« on: January 03, 2013, 08:46:46 PM »

For God's sake, Van Buren... Van Buren!!! how in the flying hell can someone think he was French?!?

     Disturbingly many Americans don't know much about other countries. Van Buren is an absurdly obvious Dutch name, but most people won't realize it.
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« Reply #1 on: January 03, 2013, 08:50:44 PM »

My first non-troll post of the thread: I think Iran's culture, food and environment compares very favorably to Italy's. No reason to be jealous.

Ok, maybe not trolling. Just stupid.

     Chicken parmagian is the best dish ever. I have no Italian heritage, but I still taught myself how to make it from the experience of eating it dozens of times.
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« Reply #2 on: January 05, 2013, 02:06:55 AM »

For God's sake, Van Buren... Van Buren!!! how in the flying hell can someone think he was French?!?

     Disturbingly many Americans don't know much about other countries. Van Buren is an absurdly obvious Dutch name, but most people won't realize it.

Actually, it could be from Flanders as well, so it's more flemish than Dutch.  (Flemish also being spoken in the part of Belgium that isn't French.)  And while we're at it, there is much confusion between Belgian and French.  I saw a poll in which most of those polled thought that the actor Jean Claude Van Damme was French.  He is actually Belgian.  To be fair, it usually the Walloons of Belgium that we confuse for French, and not those from the Northern part of Belgium, so Van Buren probably wouldn't be thought of as French by any American other than exactly one poster here.  Although, he does spell his first name in an anglicized way, and not Maarten as would be the case in the early 1800s for a truly Flemish speaker.  Also, let it be noted that van Buren was the only US president who had a foreign accent throughout his presidency, and I seriously doubt that any of his contemporaries confused his Dutch-Flemish accent for a French one.  Still, after all we do call french fries French Fries, even though they were invented in Belgium.  Just food for thought.

     I have a deep interest in the variations that exist among European languages, and I still wasn't aware that Van Buren can be Flemish as well as Dutch. With that in mind, it's probably not that strange that someone on the forum would go so far as to mistake it for being French.
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« Reply #3 on: January 07, 2013, 08:51:47 AM »

For God's sake, Van Buren... Van Buren!!! how in the flying hell can someone think he was French?!?

     Disturbingly many Americans don't know much about other countries. Van Buren is an absurdly obvious Dutch name, but most people won't realize it.

Actually, it could be from Flanders as well, so it's more flemish than Dutch.  (Flemish also being spoken in the part of Belgium that isn't French.)  And while we're at it, there is much confusion between Belgian and French.  I saw a poll in which most of those polled thought that the actor Jean Claude Van Damme was French.  He is actually Belgian.  To be fair, it usually the Walloons of Belgium that we confuse for French, and not those from the Northern part of Belgium, so Van Buren probably wouldn't be thought of as French by any American other than exactly one poster here.  Although, he does spell his first name in an anglicized way, and not Maarten as would be the case in the early 1800s for a truly Flemish speaker.  Also, let it be noted that van Buren was the only US president who had a foreign accent throughout his presidency, and I seriously doubt that any of his contemporaries confused his Dutch-Flemish accent for a French one.  Still, after all we do call french fries French Fries, even though they were invented in Belgium.  Just food for thought.

     I have a deep interest in the variations that exist among European languages, and I still wasn't aware that Van Buren can be Flemish as well as Dutch. With that in mind, it's probably not that strange that someone on the forum would go so far as to mistake it for being French.

Oh come on, Flemish French probably don't make up 1% of the population. It's as if you've got some guy called Lautenberg, Pawlenty, Cuomo or Blagojevich and immediately think he's American rather than German/Polish/Italian/Serbian. It is technically possible, but it's a pretty ridiculous assumption to make.

     My point is, someone who is nonattentive might be able to make a mistake of that magnitude. It's a pretty egregious error, but it doesn't surprise me considering how ignorant many Americans are of the cultural backgrounds of the different European nations.
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