TIL about 'Side B' LGBTQ Christians

[LucasJ]

The anus is not a sex organ, google "natural law" and research how reason can help us understand objective morality.

[LucasJ]

The anus is not a sex organ, google "natural law" and research how reason can help us understand objective morality.

Welcome to the forum.

The anus is a sex organ. You also crap out of it.
The penis is a sex organ. You also piss out if it.
The mouth is a sex organ. You also puke out of it.
If you ever have sex, the whole body reacts.
If all you have is 'penis go in vagina to make 'babby'', congrats. You understand reproduction. You don't understand sex.

Source? Sounds like you are trying to remove reproduction from the definition of sex. The sexual revolution led to misery and destruction. Check the divorce rates, std rates, and general statistics on happiness. Your free will is important my friend, you have an immaterial soul.

[LucasJ]

Free will and the immaterial soul is an illusion. A prostate centred multiple anal orgasm is not.

Proof? Very destructive claim to make. You can choose freely to turn from vices and seek God. What reason would there be for the brain chemicals to trick themselves in such a way? Why would this arrangement of particles produce sentience on its own? You should read up on the five ways by St. Thomas Aquinas, or simply research the many documented miracles and philosophical arguments for God's existence. There is objective morality and meaning in this life, you should not attempt to throw it away for the sake of vain pleasure and comfort. Search for truth my friend.

[LucasJ]

Free will and the immaterial soul is an illusion. A prostate centred multiple anal orgasm is not.

Proof? Very destructive claim to make. You can choose freely to turn from vices and seek God. What reason would there be for the brain chemicals to trick themselves in such a way? Why would this arrangement of particles produce sentience on its own? You should read up on the five ways by St. Thomas Aquinas, or simply research the many documented miracles and philosophical arguments for God's existence. There is objective morality and meaning in this life, you should not attempt to throw it away for the sake of vain pleasure and comfort. Search for truth my friend.

I've been doing a lot of cutting and pasting but meh:

Free Will’ was defined at a time in which a theistic universe was generally accepted and there needed to be an manner in which to explain away the inconvenient paradoxes within a theistic universe. One of the contradictions in Christian theology (though not exclusive to it) is called ‘theodicy’; why god permits evil. If god is omnipotent and omnibenevolent, then eternal damnation is contradictory. Either god cannot create a world without evil (and we define evil as being contrary to the will of god) which means he’s not a powerful god or he won’t create a world without evil which means he is not a very capable god. But if humans can voluntarily choose to be evil because we have such a thing as a ‘free will’, then it no longer becomes a problem with god but with mankind. 

The problem is that free will doesn’t make sense. Free will; a ‘will that is free’ relies on the concept that there is some extra entity not related casually to the rest of the universe and it’s laws. Only such an entity, free from the confines of the laws of the universe and not subject to casuality could fit the requirements of a genuinely ‘free’ will that is uninfluenced by anything other than itself.

Human beings can not have free will because the very philosophical concept of a free will cannot exist within our universe. Everything is subject to the same laws and cannot be uninfluenced by anything but themselves. You have a ‘will’, yes, because you are a sentient being, but it is not strictly ‘free.’ Your will can never be uninfluenced by anything other than itself, and therefore be truly free, because your will is part your conscience which is rooted in your physical being. Your physical being and your mind are both constantly influenced by factors outside of itself. Therefore more accurately you have what can be called volition. This is a very important difference.  You have a consciousness and this drives and is driven by your body and you have some rational processess (as much as your evolution has afforded you at least) operating in your brain that can reasonably control your bodies behaviour. You, like everything else in the universe are subject to casuality, not free from it, but have the ability to influence it’s future direction. So while you have the control you are afforded you can never have full control. So you can never fully have 100% responsibility for every moral or amoral action that you undertake.

You are a one of countless processes that exist in this universe but you have advantage of being a process that is self aware. You are here because it has been determined, by the sum of all that came before you, that you will be here.  This is called ‘casual determinism.’ It rests on the understanding that the past is fixed and the present is the sum of history. This renders the concept of free will irrelevant. Your brain makes decisions based on it’s physical condition at the time you make the decision. It’s current physical condition is determined by it’s previous states. Therefore we exercise volition limited only by causality and physics to the extent that is both necessary and beneficial to us.

An apologist may fancy the ‘card’ anology. The deity providing you with a set of options, including the ‘good’ and the ‘bad’ ones only when they become available. However everyone is born with different ‘qualifications’; male, female, able bodies, diabled, gay, straight, colour blind. Differing cognitive abilities in general. Everyone perceives the world differently and internalises external information on a different level. So the idea of ‘set morals’ for human existance as defined by a revealed text isn’t particularly strong.

From the point of view of the universe all events, whether or not we consider them moral, immoral or neutral are merely particle interactions. It is only us who consider such interactions; from the mind forming an idea to the hand carrying it out, as good, bad or neutral. Good and evil aren’t universal ‘forces’; (therefore if there is a deity, it has to be morally neutral) they are what we determine them collectively and in accordance to our evolutionary need, to be.

I will respond more thoroughly when i have the time. At first glance from my understanding I see there are too many presuppositions that are not backed up, as well as no refutation of the main arguments from classical theology that i suggested. Do you have an actual understanding of these paragraphs or did you just copy and paste without bothering to entertain objections? I obviously do not know your intentions or if you are genuinely seeking truth but i recommend testing your beliefs on the matter. I have had many great experiences and found true purpose through pursuing Christ. talk later my friend.

7Ask, and it shall be given you: seek, and you shall find: knock, and it shall be opened to you. 8For every one that asketh, receiveth: and he that seeketh, findeth: and to him that knocketh, it shall be opened.