Russia-Ukraine war and related tensions Megathread

[NOVA Green]

Since the topic of Russian dissidence against the Putin regime has has a couple conversations in recent days, thought I would post something I saw interesting from the NYT about the innovative means in which Russians still continue to protest against the war.

Here is a snip from the NYT article with the link beneath it, and then below it is a link to the Instragram account where Russians upload their photos of "tiny protests", for those of you who do not have an NYT subscription or want to use a free article on this topic.

Fish, asterisks, blank messages and the crossed out Z letter: All of these are symbols of opposition to the invasion of Ukraine by Russia. In a country where public criticism of the war comes with the threat of incarceration, protesters have taken to social media to remain anonymous and adopted a secret language to convey dissent for the Kremlin.

Last year in St. Petersburg, an artist uploaded a few images of tiny clay figurines in a public space to Instagram under the account Malenkiy Piket, meaning Small Protest. In a separate post, he invited others to join him in his silent demonstration.

Since that post, he has received almost 2,000 images containing homemade figurines, many holding posters of protest with curious symbology. Contributors are able to preserve their anonymity by sending private messages in the app to the artist, who then posts their images. At its peak, the account received around 60 images daily, the artist told The Times.

Sending such pictures, even privately, carries enormous risk: Sharing antiwar messages can be a cause for imprisonment. Hiding figurines in public spaces could be captured by surveillance cameras. Police used CCTV footage to track and arrest one contributor in 2022.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/06/16/world/europe/russian-anti-war-protesters.html

https://www.instagram.com/malenkiy_piket/

[NOVA Green]

Meanwhile Russia continues to kidnap Ukrainian children and relocate them to Russia proper:

Ukraine accused Russia of continuing to deport children from occupied areas into Russia. The National Resistance Center of Ukraine, a government agency, said Thursday that 150 children in Luhansk were “illegally transported” to the Kuban region of southern Russia this month. U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken has accused Russia of abducting 260,000 Ukrainian children, and in March, the International Criminal Court in The Hague issued arrest warrants for Putin and his commissioner for children’s rights over the war crimes of “unlawful deportation” and “unlawful transfer” of children from occupied areas of Ukraine.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/06/16/russia-ukraine-war-news-counteroffensive/

Not sure if any of y'all ever watched that French dystopian Sci-Fi movie from the mid '90s, "The City of Lost Children", but for some reason it just sprang to mind perhaps with Mr Putin perhaps reprising the role of the character Krank from the film.

Here's a trailer for anyone interested and pretty sure the full movie is available on quite a few of the various streaming channels out there...

[NOVA Green]

Even broken clocks, such as a certain poster from Virginia, occasionally provide information which has aspects of truth.

In this particular case, the subject is Russian attack helicopters within the context of the initial stages of shaping operations under the Ukrainian Counter-Offensive of Summer '23.

No paywall required... (Link at bottom of post).

Regardless of the overall failures of Russian rotary units in the War in Ukraine, these birds appear to be doing a bit of damage, and need to be neutralized sooner rather than later.

As Ukraine presses on with its counteroffensive in the south and east, making incremental advances in the process, there is evidence that Russia may be starting to enjoy more aerial access over critical areas near the front lines.

As Russia continues to adapt its application of air power, after a fairly dismal start to the campaign, some of its aircraft are now able to operate in a less restricted way, or at least Russia is willing to take on more risk in doing so. Either way, this will put further pressure on the Ukrainian forces, raising questions, in particular, about the availability of mobile short-range air defense systems, or SHORAD. At the very least, as Ukraine gets away from its more entrenched and fixed air defense capabilities, the importance of SHORAD is only going to be underscored.

As The War Zone has discussed in the past, SHORAD is fundamental to the protection of friendly units close to the front lines, including armored ones, defending them against a wide variety of aerial threats, ranging from low-flying fixed-wing aircraft and helicopters to larger drones and cruise missiles, and even smaller drones carrying improvised explosive devices.

Speaking recently about the counteroffensive in the Zaporizhzhia region, in the southeast of the country, Deputy Minister of Defense of Ukraine Hanna Malyar noted: “Our troops are moving in the conditions of extremely fierce battles,” before pointing to the particular threat posed by “the enemy’s aviation and artillery superiority.” President Zelensky echoed those same sentiments recently, as well.

As The War Zone has discussed in the past, SHORAD is fundamental to the protection of friendly units close to the front lines, including armored ones, defending them against a wide variety of aerial threats, ranging from low-flying fixed-wing aircraft and helicopters to larger drones and cruise missiles, and even smaller drones carrying improvised explosive devices.

Speaking recently about the counteroffensive in the Zaporizhzhia region, in the southeast of the country, Deputy Minister of Defense of Ukraine Hanna Malyar noted: “Our troops are moving in the conditions of extremely fierce battles,” before pointing to the particular threat posed by “the enemy’s aviation and artillery superiority.” President Zelensky echoed those same sentiments recently, as well.

Multiple accounts — including from the media arm of the Russian Ministry of Defense itself — now document how Russian aviation is operating very close to the front lines, with attack helicopters presenting an especially serious threat to the Ukrainian counteroffensive in areas where armored advances are orchestrated. In particular, the Ka-52 Hokum has been repeatedly mentioned.

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/ukraines-armor-appears-to-have-a-russian-attack-helicopter-problem

[NOVA Green]

Meanwhile surprised that nobody has mentioned that allegedly Russian Nukes have been deployed to Belarus...

Not quite sure what Putin is doing here... I might imagine that he is somehow stuck in a time-warp from the '60s-'80s, envisioning mass protests in Europe and the US against the existential threat of massive nuclear war.

Perhaps the reality is that this is such a "nothing burger" that there is basically a massive collective yawn to such tactics.

I would imagine that any nuclear weapons which may or may not be present in Belarus would be carefully controlled by the Russian GVT, and even in the event of a hypothetical Belarusian popular uprising would be quickly spirited back to Russia.

Russian President Vladimir Putin on Friday confirmed for the first time that tactical nuclear weapons have already been deployed to his vassal state of Belarus. That makes good a promise he made in March that he would deploy such weapons there. You can read more about that in our coverage here.

Speaking at the St. Petersburg International Economic Forum (SPIEF), Putin said the deployment was a reminder to the West that his country cannot be defeated.

"As you know we were negotiating with our ally, (Belarusian President (Alexander) Lukashenko, that we would move a part of these tactical nuclear weapons to the territory of Belarus - this has happened," said Putin, according to Reuters.

"The first nuclear warheads were delivered to the territory of Belarus. But only the first ones, the first part. But we will do this job completely by the end of the summer or by the end of the year."

The admission comes as a warning to NATO after additional military aid was pledged to Ukraine during the Ukraine Defense Contact Group meeting earlier this week in Brussels, Belgium.

"...It is precisely as an element of deterrence so that all those who are thinking about inflicting a strategic defeat on us are not oblivious to this circumstance," said Putin, according to Reuters, which said the Russian leader “was using a diplomatic term for a defeat so severe that Russian power would be diminished on the world stage for decades.”

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/ukraine-situation-report-putin-confirms-tactical-nukes-in-belarus

[NOVA Green]

Russia is apparently pressuring local government officials to quit posting soldiers obituaries.

Turns out that publicly available information is showing a massive increase in confirmed Russian KIAs over the past couple weeks:


https://twitter.com/mediazona_en/status/1669826787998679041?s=20

[NOVA Green]

Even broken clocks, such as a certain poster from Virginia, occasionally provide information which has aspects of truth.

In this particular case, the subject is Russian attack helicopters within the context of the initial stages of shaping operations under the Ukrainian Counter-Offensive of Summer '23.

No paywall required... (Link at bottom of post).

Regardless of the overall failures of Russian rotary units in the War in Ukraine, these birds appear to be doing a bit of damage, and need to be neutralized sooner rather than later.

As Ukraine presses on with its counteroffensive in the south and east, making incremental advances in the process, there is evidence that Russia may be starting to enjoy more aerial access over critical areas near the front lines.

As Russia continues to adapt its application of air power, after a fairly dismal start to the campaign, some of its aircraft are now able to operate in a less restricted way, or at least Russia is willing to take on more risk in doing so. Either way, this will put further pressure on the Ukrainian forces, raising questions, in particular, about the availability of mobile short-range air defense systems, or SHORAD. At the very least, as Ukraine gets away from its more entrenched and fixed air defense capabilities, the importance of SHORAD is only going to be underscored.

As The War Zone has discussed in the past, SHORAD is fundamental to the protection of friendly units close to the front lines, including armored ones, defending them against a wide variety of aerial threats, ranging from low-flying fixed-wing aircraft and helicopters to larger drones and cruise missiles, and even smaller drones carrying improvised explosive devices.

Speaking recently about the counteroffensive in the Zaporizhzhia region, in the southeast of the country, Deputy Minister of Defense of Ukraine Hanna Malyar noted: “Our troops are moving in the conditions of extremely fierce battles,” before pointing to the particular threat posed by “the enemy’s aviation and artillery superiority.” President Zelensky echoed those same sentiments recently, as well.

As The War Zone has discussed in the past, SHORAD is fundamental to the protection of friendly units close to the front lines, including armored ones, defending them against a wide variety of aerial threats, ranging from low-flying fixed-wing aircraft and helicopters to larger drones and cruise missiles, and even smaller drones carrying improvised explosive devices.

Speaking recently about the counteroffensive in the Zaporizhzhia region, in the southeast of the country, Deputy Minister of Defense of Ukraine Hanna Malyar noted: “Our troops are moving in the conditions of extremely fierce battles,” before pointing to the particular threat posed by “the enemy’s aviation and artillery superiority.” President Zelensky echoed those same sentiments recently, as well.

Multiple accounts — including from the media arm of the Russian Ministry of Defense itself — now document how Russian aviation is operating very close to the front lines, with attack helicopters presenting an especially serious threat to the Ukrainian counteroffensive in areas where armored advances are orchestrated. In particular, the Ka-52 Hokum has been repeatedly mentioned.

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/ukraines-armor-appears-to-have-a-russian-attack-helicopter-problem

LMAO... Every time I come to the forum, there's always one or two members personally attacking Woody.  Looking back through the page, a third of the posts come from unsubstantiated twitter posts and BS propaganda articles posing as straight news stories.  Only the Covid thread ranks higher as an echo chamber for pure unadulterated BS, but I'm pretty sure it was sponsored by Pfizer.

Regarding your article, Woody and I had numerous conversations about Russia's growing aerial advantage over the last 6 months, because the Russians had provided evidence that they hit anti-aircraft weapons and ammo depots around the same time that Ukraine was complaining about their short supply of the explosive rounds.  That wasn't luck.  We knew it happened, and analyzed the implications.  The only question was the degree to which Ukraine was hampered.

In the context of the planned Ukrainian Offensive, the lack of anti-aircraft systems and ammo meant that Russia could launch severe aerial attacks against Ukraine closer to the front line, and compound those air strikes with artillery to stop an offensive.  In addition, Ukraine gave Russia a year to build fortification lines along Zaporizhzhia and Southern Donbass.  I wasn't sure how Ukraine was going to achieve their goal without suffering unacceptable casualty rates, and I remain unconvinced that they will continue pressing toward the first defensive line.  I will be very impressed if NATO manages to guide them to a victory.

On that note, the British MoD's 6/17/23 update has several observations regarding Russian "temporary air advantage" in Southern Ukraine.

https://twitter.com/DefenceHQ/status/1669946425092763649?s=20

[NOVA Green]

Meanwhile, since a certain poster has been harping on about Leopard 2 tanks allegedly destroyed / captured by Russia, it would be remiss not to mention a couple stories I saw yesterday regarding additional Leopard 2 tanks on their way to Ukraine in the near future.

I suspect we will continue to see further flows of Leopards to Ukraine in the not so distant future.

Better late than never from Spain, but understandably they promised without really assessing some of the conditions.

https://twitter.com/warinukraineua/status/1669620860926193664?s=20

Looks like a few more might be working their way from Germany, since the Swiss Parliament just voted on a workaround...

https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1668993388836708360?s=20

Meanwhile, considering some of the previous negative perceptions regarding German military support for Ukraine earlier on, I would be remiss not to show a little bit of a "Danke" from Ukrainians in Bremen at a soccer pitch for Germany's military support for Ukraine.

https://twitter.com/Biz_Ukraine_Mag/status/1668377492711784448?s=20

[NOVA Green]

Since a certain esteemed Atlas colleague from Virginia very recently made a post regarding "Partisan" attacks on NATO equipment within Latvia, I would derelict in my duties by not at least making a brief comment.

I have deliberately chosen not to directly quote our fellow member of Atlas Form (aka Talk Elections), out of respect for those who prefer to occasionally use the "mute button" on their TV remote control.

Still, several points are in order here:

1.) Although the word Partisan has a long historical etymology going back to French and Italian languages from likely sometime in the 1400s or prior, was first noted within English language sometime in the late 1400s and became a bit more common in the 1500s, it is actually more closely tied in a modern sense to Marxist-Leninism, with Lenin first popularizing the term in 1895.

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/partisan

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partisan_(politics)

2.) As most of us here with a little bit of history well know, in a more modern sense, the term fell into popular culture during WW II, where you had a wide variety of irregular guerrilla formations resisting NAZI occupation of various places within Central & Eastern Europe, not to mention a mixture of Communist and Nationalist formations operating within France and Italy (A few of the more prominent examples).

3.) So, by any traditional modern understanding of the word partisan within multiple European languages, this would traditionally mean that the "Partisans" are:

      A.) Fighting to defend / Liberate their homeland against an occupying power;

      B.) Are irregular forces representing a political party / movement but are effectively local actors
           as opposed to being direct agents of a foreign Government

4.) The usage of the term "partisan" to describe these attacks on NATO convoys appears to lack either A or B, unless they are simply Latvian citizens who somehow feel they are being oppressed by their own government, to the point of which they have taken on acts of sabotage to attack perceived targets representing the "Occupier".

5.) It does not appear that the 25% of the Latvian population which speaks Russian at home are enamored of Putin's War in Ukraine, although in theory this might have changed over the past year.

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/03/20/latvia-russian-support-putin-war-00018585

This crisis is sharpening despite an apparent shift in opinion among the country’s Russian speakers. A recent poll found that only a third of them thought that Latvia should orient its foreign policy toward Moscow; 41% believed the country should align itself instead with the West, against the war, up from 34% last year.

https://www.csmonitor.com/World/Europe/2023/0524/In-shadow-of-Ukraine-war-Latvia-turns-wary-eye-on-local-Russians

6.) I strongly suspect that these assaults were actually most likely caused by Russian Intelligence agents, rather than Latvian Russian speaking "partisans", which would effectively make it an act of war against a NATO ally, and not some teenagers with hoodies tossing a few "Mollies" against NATO gear.

7.) J'Accuse...! the honorable member from Virginia with the following charges as a result of
     statements made:

     A.) Willful or Intentional misrepresentation of the term "Partisan"

     B.) Intellectual negligence in the 1st Degree

     C.) Parroting Russian propaganda talking points regarding Latvia

     D.) Directly or indirectly supporting terrorist attacks by Russian nationals, most likely GVT
           agencies against NATO convoys in Latvia.

8.) Please may the defendant rise to defend the grave charges levelled against he/him/his.

Meanwhile.... in Honor of the real Partisans, here is the box cover of an Advanced Squad Leader boardgame expansion pack which I used to own.



Also, here is the anthem of the unofficial anthem of the Free French during WW II: "Les Chants des Partisans".

My Ex-GF from colleges Grandfather fought in the French Resistance during WW II, my current wife's Great Grandfather was part of the French Resistance.

Russian stooges in Latvia are no Partisans.

[NOVA Green]

RE: Russia KA-52 Attack Choppers:

https://twitter.com/PhillipsPOBrien/status/1670323419076866048?s=20

https://twitter.com/FreudGreyskull/status/1670326999842443265?s=20

https://twitter.com/LieutenantFella/status/1670324488913682433?s=20

[NOVA Green]

Choppers can get shot down quite easily... Hell even the IRA managed to take down a bird in air back in '94 using homemade mortar shells...

Let's just face it "skybirds" are still vulnerable to fire from the ground...

[NOVA Green]

Putin is allegedly trying to absorb the "Mil-Bloggers" into the GVT Propaganda machine in order to force them to follow the "party line".

For any Atlas Poster on this thread, let alone the lurkers and viewers, it is becoming patently clear that not only is Russia guilty of War Crimes against Ukrainian Civilians and Military combatants but also of committing grave human rights abuses against their own population.

https://twitter.com/TheStudyofWar/status/1670618694752378881?s=20

Looking forward to see any response at all from those posters on this thread who continue to lick Putin's boot, or possibly even Xi's boot.

[NOVA Green]

Hi everyone! I’m new. I came across this board for more ways to get information on the war. I finally decided to sign up in order to ignore a certain Putin fan boy from clogging the feed. From just reading responses and posts, I can say that never before have I felt such a strong and genuine hatred for anyone online until I saw Woody and other western Putin-lovers. (Politically im center right. Very much an establishment/moderate Republican)

That said, Slava Ukraïni and to victory!

Welcome to the Forum!

[NOVA Green]

Meanwhile while a certain poster is posting Tweets showing a few destroyed Ukrainian military equipment assets, there was a very big *BOOM* yesterday in Russian occupied Ukraine.

https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1670498014215979008?s=12

So to follow up on Hindsight's post above, and the subsequent follow-post from our Irish comrade Epaminondas's:

That last explosion was at least 200km from the frontline. The storage area is completely levelled.

It does look like this is really a Big "Effin'" Deal (BFD), in terms of the quantities of ammo destroyed and potential impacts to Russian resupply efforts to the Southern frontline.

https://twitter.com/PhillipsPOBrien/status/1670881874275696640?s=20

Here we have a 12 second clip:

https://twitter.com/JayinKyiv/status/1670881294979330064

Here's a satellite comparison:

https://twitter.com/jaimi85012502/status/1670882508878262272?s=20

Now let's look at what is left of the structure from a ground view:

https://twitter.com/ItsArtoir/status/1670781783581892610?s=20

Although in this particular case it does not look like this is a simple case of a Russian soldier dropping a lit cigarette in an authorized "No Smoking" area, although surely one would imagine if Russia is so great at building minefields, complex Trench based multilayer defenses, surely they could at least construct a more solid giant ammunition warehouse going deeper underground with various layers of fire-rated walls, designed to withstand a large scale explosive warhead.

Here is the international GHS symbol for Explosives:

[NOVA Green]

Regardless of the inherent difficulties of conducting polling within Russia about this subject under current conditions, it still appears that a majority of Russians likely oppose a ceasefire with Ukraine in exchange for giving up their unlawfully annexed territories.

A new survey found that while 62 percent of Russians polled would support Putin ending the war this week, the exact same percentage would oppose it if Putin’s decision to end the war were dependent on returning annexed territory to Ukraine. The Chicago Council-Levada Center Russia’s May survey of 1,603 people across Russia found that 73 percent say that returning the illegally annexed territories of Luhansk, Donetsk, Zaporizhzhia or Kherson to Ukraine is unacceptable under any circumstances; 82 percent say the same about Crimea.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/06/20/russia-ukraine-war-news/

[NOVA Green]

Russian Artillery burn since UKR Counter-Offensive:

https://twitter.com/CasualArtyFan/status/1671154745447452674?s=20

[NOVA Green]

Another Russian KA-52 skybird to at add the confirmed count???

https://twitter.com/PhillipsPOBrien/status/1671047035036811265?s=20

[NOVA Green]

Meanwhile Benjamin cautions folks who believe all the BS they hear through social media, but you gotta click on the expanded where he cautions about how so much we have seen from both pro UKR and Pro Russian accounts have been wrong...

Needless to say Benjamin tends to be seeming to take it a bit personally when fake accounts challenge his geolocation.  

https://twitter.com/GeoConfirmed/status/1670593229132111878?s=20

[NOVA Green]

Meanwhile since Ukraine appears to be very adept when it comes the innovation of the manufacturing industry, armaments industry, etc... looks we might have a whole new Bird flying over Ukraine (No Paywall required):

Still selective quotes from a much longer article.

At least one Ukrainian MiG-29 Fulcrum fighter is flying with what appears to be a new and previously unseen kind of underwing pylon system. While we currently don’t know the exact purpose of this pylon, it raises some very interesting questions, especially bearing in mind the previous adaptations that have been made to the MiG-29 (and other Soviet-era combat aircraft) to allow them to carry new weapons of Western origin.

Especially intriguing is the origin of this photo. It was posted today to the official Twitter account of the Ukrainian Air Force, together with the caption “New day — new challenges!” That phrase could well suggest that some new kind of capability is being used. Either way, the fact that the Ukrainian Air Force chose to publicize this particular photo also indicates they are happy to show something of that new capability, whatever it might be.

The photo in question depicts the underside of an airborne MiG-29 with the full complement of six underwing pylons, but no armament attached to them. An external fuel tank is carried on the centerline. The jet has a distinctive off-white nose radome, suggesting the MiG is probably not one of those provided to Ukraine from Polish or Slovakian Air Force stocks.

Regardless of the origin of this particular MiG-29, the intriguing aspect of the photo is the appearance of the two extended inner underwing pylons, closest to the engine nacelles. Normally, these would be used for the AKU-470 launch rails that each accommodate a single R-27R (AA-10 Alamo) air-to-air missile (AAM), with semi-active radar guidance. Infrared-guided R-27Ts can also be carried but are rarely seen.

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/ukrainian-mig-29-fighter-appears-with-mystery-weapon-pylons

[NOVA Green]

https://twitter.com/Biz_Ukraine_Mag/status/1671643111779385347?s=20

Thanks for posting!

I saw a similar story on one of the MSN feeds on my lunch break at work yesterday and meant to post.

From what I understand it looks like there are increasing concerns regarding "secondary sanctions" coming soon, if actions are not taken.

Honestly wouldn't surprise me if this was brought up at the Blinken visit to China the other day, although naturally the main focus of MSM articles had more to do with his statements regarding Taiwan.

[NOVA Green]

So "my mate" Phil recently recommended a thread, involving a conversation with "Karl", an Estonian Military analysist, regarding his opinions on the current state of the Ukrainian Counter-Offensive operations.

Just like some Atlas posters think regurgitating a handful of damaged Leopard Tanks and Bradley's are indicative of the current state of the UKR early Summer Offensive, there is a lot more subtext than the simple maps they post.

https://twitter.com/PhillipsPOBrien/status/1671538891126448133?s=20

Here is the actual Twitter thread where there is a conversation with the Estonian Gentleman, so dig through the content for interesting findings (Bottom of Post).

Here are a few which stood out:

https://twitter.com/michaeldweiss/status/1671504588501860353?s=20

https://twitter.com/michaeldweiss/status/1671504589558886400?s=20

https://twitter.com/michaeldweiss/status/1671504598253686784?s=20

Link to Main Twitter thread Stub:

https://twitter.com/michaeldweiss/status/1671504581832974336?s=20

[NOVA Green]

Meanwhile for any lurkers out there not familiar with the good works of the Institute for the Study of War (ISW), here is a recent update from Eastern Kharkiv / Western Luhansk.

https://twitter.com/TheStudyofWar/status/1671698135322591234?s=20

[NOVA Green]

Well, looks like "Putin's Chef" is now accusing the Russian military of having deliberately killed civilians... (Presumably Ukrainian).

Murky is the swamp...


https://twitter.com/evanhill/status/1672387950191992834?s=20

[NOVA Green]

"Anti-Terrorist" measures are now being introduced in Moscow:

In Moscow, “anti-terrorist measures are being taken,” according to the telegram channel of Moscow Mayor Sergei Sobyanin.

“In connection with the incoming information, anti-terrorist measures are being taken in Moscow aimed at strengthening security measures. Additional control on the roads has been introduced. It is possible to limit the holding of public events. I ask you to treat the measures taken with understanding, ”the message says.

zona.media/chronicle/isthiscoup#55324

In Lipetsk region:

In the Lipetsk region, security measures will be strengthened, according to the telegram channel of Governor Igor Artamonov.

“Following the meeting of the operational headquarters, a decision was made to strengthen security measures in the region. Particular attention will be paid to critical infrastructure facilities. In addition, residents of the region are now advised to stop traveling to the south, in particular, to the Voronezh region.

Friends, recent events have excited us all. But I ask everyone to remain calm and trust information only from official sources,” the governor wrote.

https://zona.media/chronicle/isthiscoup#55324

[NOVA Green]

https://twitter.com/COUPSURE/status/1672462289427918848

no clue what they're saying but this is Prigozhin

Meanwhile we have this story just published from "Radio Free Russia"... aka Mediazona

A video with Yevgeny Prigozhin surrounded by armed men appeared on the Wagner Unloading Telegram channel. In the video, he is in the courtyard of an administrative building, the name of which is not visible, presumably it is the General Staff of the Southern Military District, and is talking with two men in military uniform, one of whom is Deputy Defense Minister Yunus-Bek Yevkurov, the second looks like General Vladimir Alekseev.

During the conversation, Prigozhin claims that the Wagner PMC fighters have already shot down three military helicopters, because the military “hit civilians” and allegedly “destroyed a bus with people.” The interlocutors answer that they do not know anything about it.

Prigozhin demands that they "get the Chief of the General Staff and Shoigu", and until then he promises to "block the city of Rostov" and "go to Moscow".

https://zona.media/chronicle/isthiscoup#55326

[NOVA Green]

Lolz...


https://twitter.com/PhillipsPOBrien/status/1672342814099746818?s=20