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GeneralMacArthur
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« on: May 24, 2020, 02:32:06 AM »

Very good.  BDS needs to be stamped out.  This hot new anti-Israel trend on college campuses, by teenagers who couldn't even find Israel on the map but think they have all the answers, is the dumbest thing.
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« Reply #1 on: May 24, 2020, 08:57:31 PM »

Very good.  BDS needs to be stamped out.
It has an important and great message though. Surely you aren't against that? So let's say it gets wiped out and replaced soon enough by a new movement with new leaders that's identical in size and message but without the leaders who you claim are racist and msy or may not be. What are your issues with this new almost identical movement exactly?

There shouldn't be a movement at all.  Anti-Israel sentiment should be as marginalized and ostracized as neo-Nazi sentiment.  If any of these white teenagers who support BDS ever spent a week in Palestine or Lebanon they would change their tune real quick.

Israel was an abandoned wasteland in the 19th century, that was why the British let the Jews have it in the first place.  The Israeli Jews have worked tirelessly to build a modern, decent society in what was once a miserable desert.  Their country, built from scratch, is one where you can live a decent, safe life as a member of the most oppressed minority group in the history of the world, a minority group that was the target of the largest genocide in history.  They have managed to build this country despite most of the developed world oscillating between foot-dragging non-opposition and seething hatred.  When Hitler ruled Germany, for instance, the British took up arms to prevent German Jews from defying quota by immigrating to Israel.

They have also managed to build this thoroughly decent country despite an absolute outpouring of bigotry and hatred from their neighbors.  These neighbors desire nothing more than to complete what Hitler started by "driving the Jews into the sea."  They have tried, on three separate occasions, to accomplish that goal by teaming up to murder all the Jews in Israel.  Israel won all three of those wars despite facing overwhelming odds (and dealing with broken promises from the rest of the world).  As part of winning those wars (which they did not start), they conquered territory, but were forced by their western "allies" to give most of it back to the people who had just tried to kill them.

Some of the territory, they kept.  Some of this was territory originally promised to them anyway, and other parts of it are strategically important locations to prevent more wars.  Although their Muslim neighbors, had they conquered Israel, would have exterminated every Jew on sight, the Jews try to coexist peacefully with the Muslims in these conquered territories.  Unfortunately, the Muslims react to this peaceful coexistence by organizing mass-murder brigades and electing, as their leadership, a group dedicated to destroying all Jews.  Thus Israel is in a constant state of war and has to defend itself against threats both from within and from without.  Remember they also have had to deal with Iran and Iraq trying to get nuclear, biological and chemical weapons with the expressed intent of using those weapons to obliterate Israel.

But in America, the average white college student doesn't learn any of this.  Your average kid doesn't know a damn thing about the history of Israel.  They don't know what "intafada" means.  They don't even know who Hamas or Hezbollah are.  They don't recognize the name "Yasser Arafat."  All they know about Israel is a bunch of extreme-left propaganda about how Israel is a cruel, oppressive government that commits daily atrocities against the poor, sweet, innocent Palestinian civilians while illegally occupying their land.



Let me ask you something.  Why do you not hold the Palestinians, or any of Israel's neighbors, to the same standard as Israel?

Imagine if Israel were to develop biological weapons, say they had several factories producing anthrax bombs, and they explicitly said they wanted these biological weapons so they could exterminate the Palestinians.

Imagine if Israel had, in its constitution, a desire to "drive the Muslims into the gulf."  Imagine if Israel organized and armed militias to commit daily atrocities against Palestinian civilians.  Imagine if Israel sponsored terrorist groups in Jordan to go around blowing up school buses and hospitals.  Imagine if Israel had a huge propaganda machine dedicated to spreading anti-Muslim sentiment.  Imagine if Israel taught in its schools that the Muslims were all monsters who needed to be destroyed like weeds.

Imagine if Israel had, in the 1960s-70s, refused any peace talks until all Muslims agreed to leave the Palestinian territory.  But they didn't do that.  It was the Muslim nations refusing any peace until the Jews left Israel.

Imagine if Israel had treated the conquered Muslims the same way the Muslims intended to treat the conquered Jews.

Why is it that, despite all of this, the Jews are the bad guys and the Muslims are the good guys?
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« Reply #2 on: May 24, 2020, 10:49:15 PM »

I'm going to explain this to you again, though you probably will ignore it again too. The people running Israel right now - regardless of their ethnity and regardless of their religion - are doing some bad stuff.

Every country has people doing bad stuff.  There are plenty of countries right now doing far worse things on a daily basis than Israel has ever done in its near-century of existence.  I don't see any mass movements targeting any of those other countries.  It's just Israel that we're oh-so-concerned about. Funny how the bar for Israel is always a million miles higher than every other country.  I wonder why that is?

Let's take an example.  Palestine is the only country that is actively sponsoring a terrorist guerilla movement against civilians and justifying it with hatred and bigotry.  I don't see any mass movement to BDS Palestine.

It's all hypocrisy.  Most of these people don't really care that Israel didn't get medical care to some Palestinian woman quickly enough or whatever.  It's a motte-and-bailey strategy.  The goal of the movement is the obliteration of Israel.  And it gets support from a lot of naive people who don't realize that and legitimately believe this propaganda that Israel is some sort of rogue oppressive police state.

White American colonialists came and wiped out natives while enslaving blacks. Those people are dead now. Lots of the Palestinians who invaded Israel are old or dead now. You can't blame young people who weren't involved with that by association.

Just in the last year, thousands of rockets have been fired into Israel by Palestinian terrorist groups.  It's not like this is ancient history that Israel is using as justification for continued militarization.  The official elected governing body of Palestine, as elected by its people, is at war with Israel today.

There is a lot in Palestine that should be condemned, and I condemn it. That doesn't mean I'm not going to ALSO condemn Israel for the things they should be condemned for. I'm not "choosing sides". I am in tne side of justice and peace, regardless of who tbat requires me to condemn.

This is just both-sides-ism.  That's like saying America and Japan were both bad because, yes the Rape of Nanking happened and we condemn it, but also, internment!  So let's sanction America and never talk about Japan.
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« Reply #3 on: May 25, 2020, 07:38:33 PM »

I know that you mean well - I really do - but the bolded part actually kinda diminishes what happened in the Holocaust in a way that, speaking as a Jewish-American, left a not great taste in my mouth.  It also happens to be both untrue and play into the hands of BDSers who claim that folks are conflating anti-Israel with anti-Semitic comments.  I agree with a lot of what you said in this post, but I felt this really needed to be said.  So, maybe...you know...don't say that anymore?  Please?

Of course, this doesn't change the fact that BDS is an anti-Semitic hate group led by people who desperately want to see people like me in a pine box six feet under the ground just because we're Jewish.

My intent was not to conflate BDS with the Holocaust, I'm sorry if it came out that way.  I was comparing it to other hate groups that are socially ostracized.  It originally wrote "white supremacy" but changed it because that left the door open to some snarky "ackshually white supremacy is mainstream now thanks to Trump" response.

It's a movement based in hatred of an ethnic/religious group.  Its core principles stem from Palestinian propaganda spread by middle-eastern nations that hate Israel and would love to see all the Jews murdered.  It should be treated exactly the same as other hate groups spreading their perverted realities.
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