Mini Tuesday results thread

[GeneralMacArthur]

https://twitter.com/DavidKlion/status/1213573341677858817

Here we go!

[GeneralMacArthur]

should I start a TYT meltdown megathread on this board today. Im sure watching TYT today will be better than watching any other network

Do it.

Is Kyle Kulinski livestreaming?  He won't throw a temper tantrum but he will say some of the most bitter, nasty, desperate BS you've ever heard.

[GeneralMacArthur]

Can everyone just stop purposely rubbing it in Bernie supporters faces. Yes we got that from that at times, and a bit of gloating is ok, but there is absolutely no reason to be malicious to people who were extremely passionate about a candidate whose presidential hopes were ruined tonight

who is "purposely rubbing it in"?

Yeah, I haven't seen any Biden supporters rubbing it in.  I'm supposedly the biggest anti-Sanders hack on this forum and I haven't felt any urge to rub it in.

We need to unify the party, get over this mess, retake Congress and defeat Trump.  Period.  That is the sole goal at this point.  The only place where I'm interested in fighting with Sanders supporters now is when they are directly working against this goal, either by repeating conspiracy theories or saying they won't vote for Biden.

[GeneralMacArthur]

I admire that biden isn’t a full fledged socialist like Bernie, but I roll my eyes at his schtick about morality, decency, and national healing.

Where were those characteristics today when he insulted and threatened an American he may be president for next year?

Where were those characteristics when he went into the dirt in 2012 and accused Romney of pretty shocking beliefs, such as wanting to bring slavery back for African Americans?

Where were those characteristics when he continued to falsely claim that the driver who collided with his wife and daughter was drunk, even after the family wrote to the senator and begged him to stop doing that because it was ruining the reputation of their father? That driver went to the grave with a significant portion of American believing him to be a reckless murderous drunk. Can you imagine how awful he must have felt?

These are all normal human failings.  Joe Biden isn't a saint.  He's a normal guy, with a good heart, who's done some selfish and dumb things.  That's a world of difference from Trump who is just actively horrible in every possible way.  It's actually very difficult to think of ways that I could change Trump to make him a worse person.

[GeneralMacArthur]

Washington looks like a lock for Biden now, if Sanders can't even beat him on the early vote.  It was supposed to be Sanders winning the mail-in votes and Biden clawing back with the day-of votes.  Instead, Sanders and Biden are tied in the early vote and Biden will open up a 5-10 point lead based on the later votes.

[GeneralMacArthur]

Washington looks like a lock for Biden now, if Sanders can't even beat him on the early vote.  It was supposed to be Sanders winning the mail-in votes and Biden clawing back with the day-of votes.  Instead, Sanders and Biden are tied in the early vote and Biden will open up a 5-10 point lead based on the later votes.

I thought some of the vote count at this hour, also includes some of the actual voting that happened today.
Are you sure it's all just early mail-in votes?
Because if so, you are more than likely correct: It will be a decent win for Biden.

Their combined vote only adds up to 65% so I doubt it.

[GeneralMacArthur]

Yeah, Biden wins WA by about 5 unless the results so far are randomly mixed. Not surprised to see some of the gloating and rubbing it in, though I wish some people could see that they’re acting exactly like the “Bernie Bros” that they claim are so terrible. Honestly, might be time for me to take a break from this site, at least until the hate boners for Sanders start to go away.

Did you hear Biden's speech tonight.
He wants and needs you and the other Bernie supporters to defeat trump come November.
He is being inclusive to all/everyone.

Again, I don't see any gloating or rubbing it in.  Not on Atlas, not on Twitter, not anywhere.

Contrast this with the gloating and rubbing-in the Bernie supporters did after Nevada, which was deafening.

[GeneralMacArthur]

Does anyone else get the vibe that Harry enten, Nate silver, and Dave wasserman aren’t very big fans of sanders?

They are good about keeping things objective, numbers-wise, but I sense a bit of giddiness when they tweet out good news about biden.

I noticed this 4 years ago too. They seemed to favor clinton

They are harassed on the daily by Sanders supporters, especially the ones that are basically MAGA.  I'd expect after five years of bullying, there's a bit of resentment.

Especially because the subject of the bullying is frequently things like "Nate Bronze is always wrong" or "These losers said Clinton had a 70% chance of winning and she lost" or "These dumb establishment shills rig the models to depress turnout, we're going to prove them wrong again."  So when the forecasters turn out to be right after all, they get to feel just a little validated.

[GeneralMacArthur]

Yeah, Biden wins WA by about 5 unless the results so far are randomly mixed. Not surprised to see some of the gloating and rubbing it in, though I wish some people could see that they’re acting exactly like the “Bernie Bros” that they claim are so terrible. Honestly, might be time for me to take a break from this site, at least until the hate boners for Sanders start to go away.

Did you hear Biden's speech tonight.
He wants and needs you and the other Bernie supporters to defeat trump come November.
He is being inclusive to all/everyone.

I haven’t watched his speech, but I’ve never accused Biden of being divisive. And yes, I’ve said many times before that I’ll vote for Biden in November, but going forward, I’m not sure I belong in a party with many voters openly hostile to Sanders and all of his supporters (yes, some just go after the Twitter crowd, but many are perfectly fine generalizing) and not even recognizing that the negativity coming from them is hurting the party.

I am sorry, but should the same not be expected of Bernie supporters? They are the ones who are screaming that "Biden has dementia" and essentially helping out Trump to the best of their ability. Now I understand that Biden's supporters have been a bit show offish, but is this not but a reaction to the fact that Bernie, according to his own words, is (or was) literally going for a hostile takeover of the party?

I’ve never defended Sanders supporters who were assholes to other people. Never. All I’m asking is that we not only go after the toxic folks on one side.

Name me a toxic narrative being relentlessly driven by Biden supporters and I will wholeheartedly condemn it.

For instance I've always condemned the "life expectancy of a 78-year old man with a heart attack is 2 years" talking point.  It's really disgusting to use the potential death of a candidate, or implied physical weakness, for political gain.

I've also condemned the accusations that Sanders is a misogynist or a racist.  He clearly isn't.  He is blind to these issues and does not consider them sufficiently important, which is why he has repeatedly failed to win the black vote, but that is a political failing, not a personal or moral one, and to suggest otherwise is just a really cheap shot.

These are the only two narratives from my side that I feel have gotten any sort of prominence, though.  Other than that, all the examples people show me are individual, isolated cases.  Yeah, sure, you found one girl who said she won't vote for Sanders.  You found one asshole on Twitter who said he hopes Sanders dies.  You guys have an entire Bernie Or Bust movement, an entire media bubble devoted to attacking establishment Democrats and their supporters, and an entire army of Twitter douchebags who get these conspiracy theories and narratives trending every single day.  There's a little toxicity in every movement, because we're all human.  But only in the Sanders movement is it consistent, relentless, widespread, targeted, and an intentional part of the strategy.

I mean, in just the last 48 hours social media has been drowning in "Biden has dementia", "Biden is physically weak and his campaign is hiding him", "the Democratic establishment is rigging the primary", all sorts of DNC-debate conspiracy theories, and a whole mountain of Bernie-or-Bust stuff.  All of it pushed and promoted by a huge media sphere, outlets such as TYT, Chapo Trap House, The Intercept, and so forth.  Outlets that have no qualms about copy-and-pasting talking points and doctored videos directly from the Trump War Room and injecting them into the "progressive" bloodstream.

This is what I'm seeing and it's like 2016 all over again.  This time, I'm hoping, will be much better because the race is wrapping up three months earlier.  But I'm just sitting here watching history repeat itself and it's maddening to have people act like Biden supporters are doing anything remotely equivalent.