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DS0816
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« on: April 04, 2016, 09:12:11 AM »
« edited: April 04, 2016, 09:18:10 AM by DS0816 »

Seriously fellow democrats, the party really needs to come together and stop acting like republicans.

That's David Brock and the overall Hillary Clinton Camp. I have come across those who like to condescend to Millenials, with their overwhelming support for Bernie Sanders, with wanting "free stuff." That garbage comes across as the work of Republican trolls and/or Democratic voters who may as well be Republicans (if that party changes their current brand). Remember—this "free stuff" comment, really an insult, came from Bill O'Reilly on Fox News's Election Night coverage in 2012.

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If by "plan" you mean rubber-stamping Hillary Clinton for nomination throughout all Democratic contests en route to a sweeping nomination…she, just like everyone else, is not entitled.

Were you under the impression that Bernie Sanders was never running for president of the United States? He's not there to … "encourage the left." (You're mentioning of that makes it sound like Hillary Clinton is not at all on the left.) He's not there to be … "bringing important issues to the table." (All presidential candidates should be doing that.) He's not there to keep Hillary Clinton "sharp and in line." (That's the responsibility of each candidate.) He is not there to prop up Hillary Clinton and, after that, *f* off.

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No. She did not, and still has not, reached the delegates amount necessary for nomination. And, no, the superdelegates do not count. They are framed as being counted. We are dealing right now with pledged delegates.

And you are wrong about expectations. A lot of arrogant people, a lot of party establishment figures, wanted it done with by March. And they believed this would be.

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Bernie Sanders is running for president of the United States.

Bernie Sanders is running for president of the United States.

Bernie Sanders is running for president of the United States.

Bernie Sanders is not required to bow to Hillary Clinton.

And Bernie Sanders's supporters are not delusional about Hillary Clinton. Many of Hillary Clinton's voters are delusional about her. Her record. Her ties to Wall Street. Her speeches made to financial institutions like Goldman Sachs while the country was going through the Great Recession. Her lack of a platform which, when she finally got one, was ripping off part of Bernie Sanders's platform. (She's not with it on free college tuition.) And her support for the war in Iraq. She is a politician who recalibrates. A position she has (like with free trade and with fracking) becomes deeply unpopular, she changes it. Bernie is there first. Hillary comes second. After having recalibrated.

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She fears losing.

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I get the sense that you do.

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Continue having this problem. If Hillary Clinton ends up nominated, she will not hold 100 percent of the numbers that Bernie Sanders ends up receiving to transfer that into support for her general-election performance. And, if you remember 2004, the one voting-age group which nationally carried for John Kerry, who lost not only in the Electoral College but also in the U.S. Popular Vote by 2.46 percentage points, was 18 to 29. (Also: The divide between the four voting-age groups has Bernie Sanders consistently winning the younger half which carried for the re-election of Barack Obama in 2012; whereas Hillary Clinton has the older half which carried for Mitt Romney.) A statement about the long-established frontrunner is made when she is losing, state after state, by 4 to 1 margins with the youngest age group which is routinely the first to back the Democratic Party in presidential elections.

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You don't seem to be all that much on the left. You seem to be a neoliberal.  

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The type of "Democrat" nominated matters.

I have already stated, on some other thread, that if the 2016 Democratic presidential nomination goes to Hillary Clinton, I don't intend to vote for her in the general election. (I would vote instead for the nominee from the Green Party. I did that with the Michigan U.S. Senate race in 2012. It's not a problem for me.) This isn't because of any personal animosity toward Hillary Clinton specifically. It has do with neoliberalism being disastrous to this party. (Thomas Frank writes much about it in his new book.)

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DS0816
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« Reply #1 on: April 04, 2016, 05:24:28 PM »

Sanders is mental case, so this shouldn't surprise anyone (except Sanders supporters, who are also mental cases.) #FeelingTheMentalBurn

Go ahead and explain why you believe this.
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DS0816
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« Reply #2 on: April 06, 2016, 05:07:55 AM »

After the election, we need to abolish caucuses and make open primaries closed to stop the looney left from having another primary uprising.

No.

Latest regarding self-identifiers is that independents are outnumbering Republicans and Democrats.

Bad time for you to suggest making all of the primaries closed.

Bernie Sanders has been great for the Democratic Party, in part, because self-identified independents are making a point to vote for him. That gives this Democratic Party a big chance to win them … and retain them.

Your suggestion is terrible.

And, before you say what is or is not looney, it would be wise for you to make an attempt to understand why people are going for Bernie. (Here is one word for you: platform.)
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DS0816
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« Reply #3 on: April 06, 2016, 02:39:14 PM »

After the election, we need to abolish caucuses and make open primaries closed to stop the looney left from having another primary uprising.

Agreed. If anyone is so interested in voting in a primary he has to be registered to the respective party until the last day before the first primary takes place.
Only the states with no party registration might be exempt.
 

Please make sure you never work a day in your life in Democratic Party politics!
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