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DS0816
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« on: August 30, 2013, 01:58:33 AM »
« edited: August 30, 2013, 02:07:56 AM by DS0816 »

Re: Where do the states fall?




RED: Republican (139)
LIGHT RED: Lean Republican (52)
YELLOW: Bellwether/Battleground/Competitive (84)
LIGHT BLUE: Lean Democratic (21)
BLUE: Democratic (242)

Those with "Leans" may become flipped by the opposing party's prevailing candidate if a national margin of victory were to be strong enough to pull in ones with such opposing tilt. In an election won the party with that tilt…the state will carry.

This map is partly assuming that both parties will continue their stupid "competitive" campaigns of only focusing on perceived "battlegrounds." Since after the 1980s, the most states won a given presidential election were the 32 carried with first election, in 1992, by Bill Clinton.

Note: On the prevailing side, since the 1990s, Republicans have averaged 9 electoral votes (for George W. Bush) with all states carried; Democrats have averaged 11 (Clinton) and 13 and 12 (Barack Obama) electoral votes with all states carried. On the losing side, Republicans averaged 9 (George Bush), 8 (Bob Dole and Mitt Romney), and 7 (John McCain) electoral votes with all states carried; Democrats averaged 13 electoral votes (Al Gore and John Kerry) with all states carried.
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« Reply #1 on: August 30, 2013, 06:49:19 PM »
« Edited: August 30, 2013, 06:54:09 PM by DS0816 »


Oh I think Pennsylvania will surprise a lot of people in the next decade and move to the right. It might become the new Virginia as in where Virginia was before.

The last Republican to carry Pennsylvania in a Democratic election-victory year dates back to 1948. Since after the 1940s, Pennsylvania has produced margins with Democratic tilts. Republican winners having carried the Keystone State—Dwight Eisenhower (1952, 1956), Richard Nixon (1972), Ronald Reagan (1980, 1984), and George Bush (1988)—all underperformed statewide-vs-nationwide. Losing Democrats Hubert Humphrey (1968), Al Gore (2000), and John Kerry (2004) had Pennsylvania in their column despite those Republican election-victory years. And, since after the 1940s, all prevailing Democrats—John Kennedy (1960), Lyndon Johnson (1964), Jimmy Carter (1976), Bill Ciinton (1992, 1996), and Barack Obama (2008, 2012)—carried Pennsylvania by larger margins compared to their national numbers.

Pennsylvania is a base state for the Democratic party. I know that the 44th president carried by less than 2 points above his national number with Election 2012. But that was also the case with the 42nd president with his re-election from 1996.

You have to make a connection, long term, with a host of states from a given column and another host of states from another given column and, yet, another host of states from yet another given column…. States which have, historically and electorally, carried the same for much of their existence. Pennsylvania is connected with Michigan. With Mich. the younger of the two, there are five presidential elections of record for which these two states carried differently. Three of those were cycles in which either Pa. or Mich. had a major-party nominee who didn't carry the other state. (Those were in 1848, 1856, and 1976.) And the other two were in line with having carried for Franklin Roosevelt in three of his four elections. (Roosevelt's Democratic party's base states were not in the north, as is the case now, but in the south. FDR failed to flip Pa. as he unseated Republican Herbert Hoover in 1932, and the Keystone State was one of six states to hold for Hoover, and Mich. flipped for losing GOP opponent Wendell Wilkie in 1940.)

States which have historically voted the same as the duo Pennsylvania/Michigan include New Englander Connecticut. (It has voted the same as Mich.—with no broken streak—since 1948. Obviously Pa. disagreed in 1976.) After that, you can have fun with so many others with a common connection. Like New Jersey. Like Maryland. Like Illinois. Like … .


Pennsylvania may become won over by a prevailing Republican presidential candidate only if that elected GOP performs nationally by a margin large enough to pull in a limited number of states which do not default, as the base, to Team Red. (For that happen, Pa. wouldn't be the only one in its group to cross the aisle, so to speak.) And this period's Republican party—with their base states in the south—hasn't won the U.S. Popular Vote more than once since after the 1980s. Add to this the fact the female vote hasn't nationally been carried by a GOP in any given election following the 1980s. In 1988, George Bush won nationally (R+7.73) over Michael Dukakis, and he was the last prevailing Republican to carry the state of Pennsylvania (by R+2.31).
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« Reply #2 on: August 30, 2013, 11:30:47 PM »



I found this to be interesting where it addresses the gender-voting results in 2012 Pennsylvania:

@ http://www.sacbee.com/2012/11/06/4966431/2012-election-exit-poll-shows.html


Pull down the "Swing-state" tab to the Keystone State.
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« Reply #3 on: September 06, 2013, 07:15:18 AM »

Except... [Indiana] hasn't in any other way other than narrowly voting for Obama in 08.
Even considering that Democrats have done better nationally than Republicans since 1992, Republicans have still won IN by a larger average margin than Democrats have won PA. It's silly to put so much attention on one data point, especially a binary win/loss.

And, yet, you just did that with the previous sentence, "Republicans have still won IN by a larger average margin than Democrats have won PA."

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What?

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You did attempt to explain away 2008 Indiana as an "exception."

AND…

Realigning presidential elections do not "occur too often."

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I am not concerned about "predictive power," Nichelmn. This thread's OP asked a question, and I answered it.

Does "predictive power" mean for you, Nichlemn, that you will be taking everything you have absorbed here and nest at your computer for each of the next 40 years—anxiously anticipating and awaiting the U.S. presidential election outcomes for 2016, 2020, 2024, 2028, 2032, 2036, 2040, 2044, 2048, and 2052? And will you be taking those results and return here to find out who best showed "predictive power"?

I laugh at your emotional responses.


Keep yourself better disciplined with giving a person a chance to respond before assuming whether that individual would be willing. (I may have more to say. Later.)
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