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DS0816
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« on: July 14, 2013, 04:26:14 PM »

I think it may be more simple than that --- the GOP has simply not fielded a good candidate.

1992 - George H.W. Bush
1996 - Bob Dole
2000, 2004 - George W. Bush
2008 - John McCain
2012 - Mitt Romney

Do any of them strike you as great candidates?…

Agree?

No.

Here is just part of the failure of today's Republican Party…


Republicans and Democrats first competed against each other in 1856.

In 1860 the Republicans won their first presidential election with 16th president Abraham Lincoln of Illinois.

Considering realignment, ask yourself: Strictly between the north versus the south, which of these two has produced more presidential election victories?


It's the north.


North
01. 1860—Republican
02. 1864—Republican
03. 1868—Republican
04. 1872—Republican
05. 1876—Republican
06. 1880—Republican
07. 1888—Republican
08. 1896—Republican
09. 1900—Republican
10. 1904—Republican
11. 1908—Republican
12. 1920—Republican
13 1924—Republican
14. 1928—Republican
15. 1952—Republican
16. 1956—Republican
17. 1968—Republican
18. 1972—Republican
19. 1980—Republican
20. 1992—Democratic
21. 1996—Democratic
22. 2008—Democratic
23. 2012—Democratic

South
01. 1856—Democratic
02. 1884—Democratic
03. 1892—Democratic
04. 1912—Democratic
05. 1916—Democratic
06. 1932—Democratic
07. 1936—Democratic
08. 1940—Democratic
09. 1944—Democratic
10. 1948—Democratic
11. 1960—Democratic
12. 1964—Democratic
13. 1976—Democratic
14. 1984—Republican
15. 1988—Republican
16. 2000—Republican
17. 2004—Republican


In the 40 elections since 1856, the north won 57.50 percent of those election cycles while the south won 42.50 percent of them.

The realigning presidential elections (following the theory of Walter Dean Burnham) came in 1860 (Republican; seven of the next nine), 1896 (Republican; seven of the next nine), 1932 (Democratic; seven of the next nine), 1968 (Republican; seven of the next ten), and count me among those listing 2008 (Democratic; thus far two in as many cycles).

Of these realigning elections, strictly between today's two major parties, the north had the advantages with the realigning presidential elections of 1860, 1896, for at least half of 1968, and mark down 2008. The south had the advantage with the realigning election of 1932.


Another thing to consider: When I refer to the south and the north, lots of time I'm thinking strictly of the eleven states of the Old Confederacy [south] and the nine states of the Rust Belt [north].

A question: Since the Republicans first competed in 1856, how many presidential elections were won without carriage of a single state from the Old Confederacy? The answer is nine. They were in 1860, 1864, 1880, 1888, 1896, 1900, 1904, 1908, and 1924.

A second question: Since the Republicans first competed in 1856, how many presidential elections were won without carriage of a single state from the Rust Belt? The answer is that it has never happened.

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DS0816
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« Reply #1 on: July 15, 2013, 03:51:59 AM »
« Edited: July 16, 2013, 09:51:19 PM by DS0816 »


That seems rather arbitrary, the Confederate states were won by your "Northern" winner in 1868, 1872, 1956, 1968 (a plurality of EVs), 1972, 1980, as well as 1928 if you consider Oklahoma to be a Confederate state (Indian and Oklahoma territories fought with the Confederacy).  Your "Southern" winners would still have won without the Confederate states in 1892, 1912, 1932, 1936, 1940, 1944, 1948, 1960, 1964, 1984, and 1988.  And how is Reagan "Northern" in 1980 and "Southern" in 1984, while Nixon isn't in '68/'72?

Not all Old Confederacy states were won by Ulysses Grant. But Grant winning states from the Old Confederacy is representative of the Republicans back then and the Democrats right now. That is, when winning the presidency, the Republicans Then/Democrats Now have been able to carry select states from the Old Confederacy. Compare that to the Democrats Then/Republicans Now, and they win all of the Old Confederacy states with presidential elections in the party prevails. Right now's Democratic Blue Firewall was back then's Republican Red Firewall. A huge electoral advantage that reduces the party, with its base states in the Old Confederacy, to have to thin the needle to stitch together victory in the Electoral College. (This is also example why I don't buy into imaginative notions, here, about Pennsylvania on the verge of flipping to the Republicans.)

By the way: I was not mentioning the home state of any given presidential candidate. I'm referring, much, to the base states of the two major parties. That it used to be that the South was for the Democrats and the North for the Republicans; of course, we recognize the opposite for today.

When Ronald Reagan unseated Jimmy Carter, in 1980, much of the south performed with margins less than his popular-vote spread of R+9.75. Alabama, Arkansas, Louisiana, Mississippi, North Carolina, South Carolina, and Tennessee were examples of state margins which were less than his national number. (The opposite happened for Reagan's re-election in 1984.) By contrast, Reagan carried his home state of California along with the likes of New Hampshire, New Jersey, and Washington by margins which exceeded his national number of 1980.

When Ronald Reagan was re-elected in 1984, over Walter Mondale, ten of the eleven states of the Old Confederacy produced margins which exceeded his national R+18.22. The only exception was Tennessee, which has been noted at this site as a margin of R+16.27.

In 1988, George Bush's carriage of all eleven states in the Old Confederacy yielded margins which exceeded his national R+7.73. (Louisiana, the state which hosted that year's Republican convention, was his lowest: R+10.21. Tenn., in 1988, turned out to be the only state which shifted Republican in 1988. And Michael Dukakis's pickup states were reminiscent of 40 years earlier with losing Republican Thomas Dewey: Not one of them were among the Old Confederacy.)

In 1984, Calif. and Wash. scaled back their margins; so Reagan underperformed in those state relative his national outcome. So, I could delay the listing by one cycle and give the North 24, not 23, of those winning cycles. And I could give the South 16, not 17, of those prevailing cycles. (That would make it 60 percent for the North and 40 percent for the South.)

My point is that, if we were to use this as an exercise with pitting these two regions against each other, it would still be undeniable that more presidential victories have come from the [base states of the] North than the South. This is a huge problem for today's Republican Party.
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