Will Bain Capital turn into Romney's Swift Boat?

[Jay20]

The Obama team is trying hard. But I think Romney has done a far better job countering it than John Kerry; plus he expected it, and everyone saw it coming. No one saw the Swift Boat guys coming, I mean Clinton didn't do that to Bob Dole. Consider this: neither convention is underway for more than a month; yet with all the attacks, Romney is still in the MoE against an incumbent wartime President, and Obama is picking up no new states in any polls.

[Jay20]

The Obama team is trying hard. But I think Romney has done a far better job countering it than John Kerry; plus he expected it, and everyone saw it coming. No one saw the Swift Boat guys coming, I mean Clinton didn't do that to Bob Dole. Consider this: neither convention is underway for more than a month; yet with all the attacks, Romney is still in the MoE against an incumbent wartime President, and Obama is picking up no new states in any polls.

Kerry was up 2 points at this time in 2004.

yes, thats MoE, but Romney has hit back harder and more effectively against the attacks than Kerry did, and goes after Obama, where Kerry tried to not go negative. Americans, knowning that Romney is rich as hell and helped rich people get richer, a flip-flop, and a one term Mormon governor, still often say he would do as good a job or better on the economy http://pollingreport.com/wh12.htm,

Remember the 1932, 1980, 1992, and 2008 elections: when a bad economy is the focus, the incumbent party gets the boot.

[Jay20]

The Obama team is trying hard. But I think Romney has done a far better job countering it than John Kerry; plus he expected it, and everyone saw it coming. No one saw the Swift Boat guys coming, I mean Clinton didn't do that to Bob Dole. Consider this: neither convention is underway for more than a month; yet with all the attacks, Romney is still in the MoE against an incumbent wartime President, and Obama is picking up no new states in any polls.

Kerry was up 2 points at this time in 2004.

yes, thats MoE, but Romney has hit back harder and more effectively against the attacks than Kerry did, and goes after Obama, where Kerry tried to not go negative. Americans, knowning that Romney is rich as hell and helped rich people get richer, a flip-flop, and a one term Mormon governor, still often say he would do as good a job or better on the economy http://pollingreport.com/wh12.htm,

Remember the 1932, 1980, 1992, and 2008 elections: when a bad economy is the focus, the incumbent party gets the boot.

But all those cases there was a legit alternative to the incumbent.

This logic is faulty IMO. "The economy sucks, so lets vote for Mitt." it doesn't work like that, Romney has to make case for people to vote for him. If 2004 is a lesson, people just won't vote for crap.

The economy was not the focus of the 2004 race: national security was. The economy was seen as "alright," or "good," whereas in the election years I mentioned and this one, its seen as "bad," or "poor." No one thought we were in recession in 2004 although many did not see it as great compared to the Clinton/Reagan years, now they call the economy part of "The Great Recession." Bush II's term is, and is seen, as largely responsible, but now that a vulnerable incumbent is in office, this is why 2012 is a toss up.

[Jay20]

this ain't 1996 where a Clinton landslide was assured the entire year. Its somewhere between 2004 and 1992, rather. Like 2004 in the candidates strength's and weaknesses, but like 1992 and 1980 in the terrible economic sentiment. Tho you're right, that Obama is in a MUCH better position than Bush Sr. in 1992, who was dead http://webapps.ropercenter.uconn.edu/CFIDE/roper/presidential/webroot/presidential_rating_detail.cfm?allRate=True&presidentName=Bush%20%28G.H.W.%29#.UAh0T6NmMud for most of 1992.

Its kinda like 2012.