Bernie Sanders 2020 campaign megathread v2 (pg 77 - declares victory in Iowa)

[Vittorio]

this communist

We don't want this succdem.

Say no to a wealth tax; say yes to the abolition of wealth.

[Vittorio]

Before it gets tossed about further in this thread:

Communism is not merely the elimination of '"duh billionayhs", nor even of the bourgeoisie (a rather more specific thing) but is rather the abolition of Capital , a social relation perpetuated by the value form inherent in production for exchange (contra use); the class struggle is really a struggle against the logic of the capitalist mode of production, which reproduces the bourgeoisie almost as an afterthought (and who are non-essential to its function). Communis manifests as a movement of the working-class, completely outside of the bourgeois Democratic process.

A wealth tax which redistributes wealth perpetuates wealth, and would redistribute it simply to create a bunch of little embryonic capitalists. Accordingly, a wealth tax is a capitalist project. There is infinitely more of Huey Long than of Karl Marx in this, because there is no Marx in it at all. And there is more of Communism in a worker taking a five minute longer break than is permitted than in this policy.

[Vittorio]

Bernie:

- Billionaires will help fund my Medicare for All program
- Billionaires should not exist


Pick one.

If Billionaires don't exist you don't need them to fund any program because the wealth would be distributed downward,  pretty simply concept.

The function of which would be to produce a wider class of petit-bourgeois idlers, the better to preserve capitalism if it looks like the prevailing situation requires it.

My personal expectation is that capitalism's final form will be some atrocious co-operative thing in which the workers are made into their own exploiters.

Rather like this, in fact.

Having large corporations elect their CEO's and Board of Executives through an employee democratic process and have the stocks owned by the employees.

[Vittorio]

Before it gets tossed about further in this thread:

Communism is not merely the elimination of '"duh billionayhs", nor even of the bourgeoisie (a rather more specific thing) but is rather the abolition of Capital , a social relation perpetuated by the value form inherent in production for exchange (contra use); the class struggle is really a struggle against the logic of the capitalist mode of production, which reproduces the bourgeoisie almost as an afterthought (and who are non-essential to its function). Communis manifests as a movement of the working-class, completely outside of the bourgeois Democratic process.

A wealth tax which redistributes wealth perpetuates wealth, and would redistribute it simply to create a bunch of little embryonic capitalists. Accordingly, a wealth tax is a capitalist project. There is infinitely more of Huey Long than of Karl Marx in this, because there is no Marx in it at all. And there is more of Communism in a worker taking a five minute longer break than is permitted than in this policy.

Good. Huey Long did far more good for the American worker than Karl Marx.

1. Long did nothing "for the American worker".
2. Marx doesn't claim he or anyone else will do anything "for the workers", but that the workers will eventually take their own destiny in hand by kicking down the rotting edifice of capitalism.