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roxas11
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« on: November 03, 2021, 02:38:01 PM »
« edited: November 03, 2021, 06:21:22 PM by roxas11 »

Maybe I'm just getter up there in age, but here is the dirty little secret about American politics

Everything you just posted literally does not matter at all because the second Biden got elected the American people had already made the decision they were going to give the Republicans power in other to keep him in check.

I have seen this play it out so many times before and no matter what people will always do the same thing. They will elect a president and right after that they will start taking power away from that president and his party until he is nothing but a lame duck at the end

To be more blunt the American people hate 1 party rule and he era where they were willing to give FDR and Dems massive amounts of power for decades are long gone. Nowadays it just took a few years for Obama to lose his super majority and trump only got to pass a tax cut before his party lost control of the house.

bottom line it would not matter if Biden was super popular right now because the American people are still going to want the Republican back in power in order to be a check on the president and his party
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roxas11
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« Reply #1 on: November 03, 2021, 06:45:41 PM »
« Edited: November 04, 2021, 03:26:59 AM by roxas11 »

Maybe I'm just getter up there in age, but here is the dirty little secret about American politics

Everything you just posted literally does not matter at all because the second Biden got elected the American had already made the decision they were going to give the Republicans power in other to keep him in check.

I have seen this play it out so many times before and no matter what people will always do the same thing. They will elect a president and right after that they will start taking power away from that president and his party until he is nothing but a lame duck at the end

To be more blunt the American people hate 1 party rule and he era where they were willing to give FDR and Dems massive amounts of power for decades are long gone. Nowadays it just took a few years for Obama to lose his super majority and trump only got to pass a tax cut before his party lost control of the house.

bottom line it would not matter if Biden was super popular right now because the American people are still going to want the Republican back in power in order to be a check on the president and his party

2002

We all know what happened to Bush and the republican party after 2002....

They lost The house, The senate and eventually the white house. It also leads to the rise of Nancy Pelosi since people wanted her to be a check on bush

In anything bringing up 2002 just proves my point. Back in the 1930s the great depression led to FDR and the Dems having power for decades, but after 9/11 Bush and his party only got 1 good midterm before the American people started kicking them all out of power

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roxas11
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« Reply #2 on: November 04, 2021, 04:07:50 AM »


We all know what happened to Bush and the republican party after 2002....

They lost The house, The senate and eventually the white house. It also leads to the rise of Nancy Pelosi since people wanted her a check on bush

In anything bringing up 2002 just proves my point. Back in the 1930s the great depression led to FDR and the Dems having power for decades, but after 9/11 Bush and his party only got 1 good midterm before the American people started kicking them all out of power

A super popular president is really the primary driver for a good midterm for their party. You're right, GWB only got one good midterm, but that is generally more than most termed-out presidents get. GWB got that good midterm because he was super popular in 2002, and then got a shellacking in 2006 because he was unpopular. There are various reasons for why he was, and various structural biases can amplify how good/bad the party does, but the general theme is the same: midterms are referendums on the president. People generally don't feel a need to put a check on a popular president and their party.

The depression comparison doesn't really work for 9/11. They both changed society and generation(s) of people, but not in the same ways. In one, a Republican presided over economic catastrophe and mostly bungled the response to it, and then sat in the White House for years, absorbing the blame as the GDP crashed and unemployment skyrocketed. In the other, we were attacked by foreign enemies and the people rallied around the president as he initiate a war against those enemies and later, another war since that was all the rage then.

Tell that to this guy.....


President Dwight D. Eisenhower was insanely popular and loved by the American people, yet his party still suffered massive losses under him

During his first midterm in 1954 the Republicans lost the Congressional majorities they had won in the previous election and during his second midterm in 1958 They lost 48 seats to the Democratic Party in the House of Representatives, and also lost thirteen seats in the U.S. Senate to the Democrats

Even though the American people really did Like Ike they still turned around and kicked the Republican party out of power. In the end it just goes to show that if someone as loved as President Dwight D. Eisenhower could not stop has party from taking huge losses during midterms than no other president can
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