Trump 2nd Impeachment News/Talk Megathread

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If McConnell is going to spend the new few weeks fighting against impeachment he should have never said this....


"The mob was fed lies," "They were provoked by the president and other powerful people."'


He accused the president of the united states of inciting a riot that killed 5 people and make no mistake the Dems are going to use this statement against him and trump during the impeachment trial

He boxed himelf in the second he made those commentsand there is simply is no way he will be able to defend making a Damming statement like that about trump while also trying to claim that Trump should not be impeached over the attack at the Captal

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The vote was 55/45, that is the final vote count for CONVICTION, the D's don't have Ernst, Daines, or Rick Scott to move forward on CONVICTION which was already known.

Waste of money, we should be in Covid

They D's have an excellent criminal case against Trump but not Impeachment

KKK like QAnom have existed since the beginning

I don't agree with this at all
It is never a Waste to at least try to hold the president accountable for inciting a riot that took the lives of 5 people.


No matter the outcome of all of this
it is simply not a good idea to let a Trump or any other future president get away with something like this simply because some people want to hide behind Covid as an excuse to let Trump off the hook.

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https://www.axios.com/trump-censure-kaine-collins-senate-impeachment-9a67a569-0526-45b7-9bfb-67b8d17f901b.html

So I just saw that that Tim Kaine and Susan Collins want to pass a censure resolution that would bar Trump from ever holding office again

If that is the case than I think the Dems should strongly consider supporting it since its becoming clear that many of the GOP in congress are cowards who will never hold him Trump accountable for anything and unlike impeachment you don't need a two-thirds vote in order to pass the censure resolution
 
my main issue with a censure resolution in the past was that I felt it simply did go not go far enough when it came to holding trump accountable. For example during the the first impeachment the GOP wanted a censure resolution that basically did nothing except warn trump to never do bad things again


now having said all of that If collins and Kaine are serious about this censure resolution
than at this point I would support that over a impeachment trial that will not do anything to win over many of the fools in the GOP nor will it succeed in holding trump accountable since the republicans will most lilke vote acquit him anyway

[roxas11]

At this point the Dems have allready won in court of public opinion

A recent ABC News/Ipsos poll released today shows that 56% of Americans say Trump should be convicted and barred from holding office again, and 43% say he should not be

These numbers are far worse for Trump compared to the first impeachment when only  47% of Americans said the Senate should vote to remove Trump from office and 49% said he should not be removed.

since there is Zero chance that the GOP are going to actually vote to convict Trump
I think that the Dems should focus on winning even more Public support in order to make the GOP inevitable vote to acquit trump as damaging to them as possible among both independent and swing voters.

The Dems should go all out and showing the public just how horrifying this event really was. They should talk about the graphic details like the poor cop who lost some of his fingers or the cop that will now be blind for the rest of his life and they should call witness

it wont win over the GOP but I will make make their vote to acquit trump far for more toxic to them and the GOP brand overall

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wow trump new lawyer is terrible lol


say what you will about his lawyers from first impeachment trial but even they were way better than this guy currently is lol

[roxas11]

well one thing is becoming very clear so far

Any senate Republican who was hoping that Trump's lawyer would put up a Defense that was Strong enough to give them political cover for voting to acquit are very furious with Castor right about now lol

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The problem with D arguemebt  is that unlike Sixties where looters, rioters, USSR nuking us when Oswald set off the wave of Assassinations and unlike on 911, QAnon hasn't been deemed as a terrorist group and now the Capital has barbed wire and protection.

We, the people aren't threatened by them, they aren't after us

That's why Ds will fail

This is hands down one of the silliest augments I have heard on here
barbed wire surrounds our Capital because the President sent his thugs to violently overturn an election and disenfranchise the 80 million americans who voted for Biden

The idea that Most of the American people would be ok with this simply because they themselves were not personally attack is ridiculous. I thankfully never personally experienced many of the evil acts committed by Hitler during WW2 but I still fell sympathy for the many people who did and I believe many Americans feel the say way about those who were hurt or killed during the the siege of our capital  



If the Dems fail it will not be because of some nonsense like "We, the people aren't threatened by them, they aren't after us"

It will be because cowardly GOP Senators were too afraid to hold trump accountable how his horrible actions

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Im my opinion this tweet was far more damming for Trump than anything he actually said during his rally at the Capitol





Look people can debate about rather or not trump comments before the attack was incitement
but when comes his actions during the riot there is no question that this tweet was simply fanning the flames and thanfully twitter quickly removed it from their site

he was basically telling everyday that they got what they deserved for angering his supporters and this is what happens to the people who decide to stand in the way of him trying to steal the election....

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I knew that Trump lawyer's would try to use clips of things Dems have said in the past in order to claim that everbody is just as bad as Trump but I got to say the way they used those clips in their video was just stupid and ridiculous

rather than taking that moment to go after any real weakness with the Dems case against trump they Instead focused on the fact that Dems used the word "Fight" in the past lol

even Trump first impeachment lawyers did a way better job than this.....

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"I'm not showing you this for whataboutism or to excuse my client's speech."

Uh....yes you are. This entire "defense" is pure whataboutism. It's like being in court for stealing a car and saying "well what about when people drive cars that aren't registered in their name, huh?!?"

It is valid when the words are the same. "Dogwhistling" people into action is a hard case to make against a person.  That road leads to thought crimes. The fact is, we don't really know if Trump wanted people to start a coup for him or not: only inferences of what he could have meant.

That is no excuse whatsoever when It comes to how trump behaved after those people had gotten into the captail. The second that happened he should have put out a tweet immediately condemning the violence and he should have quickly deployed the national guard

instead by the time it was all over he posted nonsense's like this



have may not have known about the coup at the start but once it became clear what was happening He had a responsibility to do everything in his power to protect the people inside of the capital building

he failed to do that and for that reason alone he deserves to be impeached

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I can believe I'm say saying this but I actually think that Trey Gowdy of all people nailed it when he said this of Fox news

"I think on the issue of the speech, it's probably going to be split because there are plenty of Democrats that have used hot rhetoric in the past," he continued. "What's not split is the president's lawyers need to come up with a factual defense for what was he doing once he learned the siege began."

"Because you can act like you were shocked it happened, but once it happened you can't claim that defense anymore," Gowdy added. "So why the tweets afterward? Why not get more involved, more engaged. And I need to hear a factual defense and I didn't hear one yesterday."


The fact is trump behavior during the riot was far Damming than anything he said at his rally and unless the Trump team has an good explanation for whay that was they will lose in the court of public opinion and even some of the republican senators may ended voting to convict Trump of that fact alone

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Collins and Murkowski submitted a joint question asking when Trump knew what he did and what he did to temper the insurrection. 

Trump's team responded that it's impossible to know, as the Democrats did not allow for proper investigation and due process. 

The Dems could have given Trump all the due process in the world and most of these cowardly GOP sentors would still vote to acquit him...

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Im actually fine with witnesses as long as its from people who actually want to speak up like herrera beutler


but if its from fools likes Kevin McCarthy who will do everthing in their power to fight a subpoena in order to slow down the impeachment trial dramatically it is simply is not worth it. Besides Kevin McCarthy has proven to be nothing more than a Trump stooge and I don't think a testimony from him will be usefull at all.

if they can get people who want to speak out than I support it
let them tell the American people what they know and than lets quickly force these GOP Coward's vote right after. the more devastating the testimony is the more toxic their vote to acquit trump will be

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There needs to be unanimous consent to do other work besides the trial? Well, nothing is getting done in the meantime while the depositions are happening. Republican senators aren't going to allow it anything else to happen.

Sucks for Biden. The actions of Trump will continue to distract from what he wants to accomplish.

I don't for 1 second believe that any of this will stop or even delay Biden Covid relief Bill at all

Make no mistake The Dems are going to pass its coronavirus relief and see it signed into law before March 14, when unemployment programs expires.

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Pathetic show from the Democrats. They completely butchered the execution of this impeachment and just gave free reign in the future for a more competent Trump.

by the end of the Day the GOP is not going to vote to acquit trump and all the witnesses and evidence in the world is not going to change that fact

I agree with that this will do damage to us in the long term but the reailty Is there is a Covid crisis that we need to be focused on right now.  

its sucks but its is time to move on and get work done on behalf of the american people

[roxas11]

Pathetic show from the Democrats. They completely butchered the execution of this impeachment and just gave free reign in the future for a more competent Trump.

This is the fault of the Republican Senators, though. Their stonewalling and refusal to consider conviction is the reason why the trial is basically predetermined to end in acquittal.

It's not the Democrats' fault that the US Constitution created a bar for removal that isn't feasible to reach in a world of political polarization.

Maybe they should have immediately done an impeachment vote instead of waiting over a week, waiting to send the articles of impeachment, and maybe they shouldn't have delayed the trial. I understand they wanted to get some of Biden's cabinet confirmed, but it's nowhere near as important as what might create the worst precedent in this country's history. At least put up a fight instead of caving at the slightest amount of pressure.

This would have changed nothing
those cowardly GOP senators would have still voted to acquit Ttump

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As the lyrics of an old famous song goes....

"You've got to know when to hold 'em
Know when to fold 'em
Know when to walk away
And know when to run"

this move may anger some leftest on Twitter but in the real world their are people who are really hurting right now and they care way more about Biden Covid Bill than they do about a disgraced former president.

If the GOP wants that horrible man to be face of their party than I say let them them do it
but for the Dems its time to move forward and hopefully got a lot done for American people

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Well done, Democrats, you played yourself. You took what should have been a slam dunk case and played it too political. Breathlessly whining about how fundamental conviction is for the good of humanity, democracy, the constitution, the nation's soul, etc does not gel with the politicking and point scoring on display.

The first strike was in not moving fast enough. What good reason was there not to have articles voted on and delivered to the Senate within a week of Jan 6? "Mitch McConnell"? Shouldn't matter. Withholding it on his account is PLAYING POLITICS

If you think the GOP would have not voted to acquit trump even if the impeachment trial had happened earlier I got a Trump properly in Florida to sell you lol

[roxas11]

wow  7 republicans was more than I expected


Dems may have not gotten a conviction but they can say that they got the most bipartisan rejection of President of all time

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I Almost feel sorry for poor trump looking back at this moment

He celebrated being acquitted and Had no idea that Covid19 was going end his presidency that same year lol

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For all the Republican gloating right now - and I’m sure it must be happening - the fact remains:  a clear majority of both houses of Congress and the American population at large believe he committed a high crime and misdemeanor.  Your guy is either mildly disliked or outright hated by most Americans, and he always will be.

We will see how much they gloat when it dawns on them that because of the GOP desire to quickly acquit trump and rap up the impeachment trial today. Large parts of Biden agenda is now most likely going to get passed without anything to slow it down.

something tells me the extreme right is not going to be happy once they see just how meaningless this so called win for them actually was in the long run

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2024 is gonna suck.

Tell that the republicans who are currently running around saying that they believe that ecomney will be doing great by 2024 and because of that they don't support Biden covid relief Bill.....