This Site's View on Same-Sex Marriage

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Full marriage, adoption rights for all.  It's a joke that two trashy drunks can get married and have a kid but a stable gay couple can't.  It's more than a joke, it's insane and horrible.  Yea, go after the gays, but when 2 drunks get hitched in Vegas and wake up not knowing what the hell happened.....oh, its so beautiful, the sanctity of marriage has been preserved!!!!!  The only reason we don't have gay marriage has nothing to do with the sanctity of marriage, it's only insecure conseratives that couldn't bear to see their beliefs go into question.  On somwhat of a side note, the banning of gay marriage in MO by 70% was a sad, sad day in the history of our country.  

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Full marriage, adoption rights for all.  It's a joke that two trashy drunks can get married and have a kid but a stable gay couple can't.  It's more than a joke, it's insane and horrible.  Yea, go after the gays, but when 2 drunks get hitched in Vegas and wake up not knowing what the hell happened.....oh, its so beautiful, the sanctity of marriage has been preserved!!!!!  The only reason we don't have gay marriage has nothing to do with the sanctity of marriage, it's only insecure conseratives that couldn't bear to see their beliefs go into question.  On somwhat of a side note, the banning of gay marriage in MO by 70% was a sad, sad day in the history of our country.  

The problem is, we know for a fact that most children who are adopted by gay couples end up with psychological problems, while people who are adopted by straight couples arn't. Sure, alcoholism may be in a straight couple's family, but it's rare, and adoption agencies make sure there are no abusive relationships in the family- they make sure the family is perfect for the child. Drunks can be found in both homosexual and heterosexual lifestyles, and especially more in the homosexual one (homosexuals are more likely to be alcoholics or drug addicts than heterosexuals). Your argument is flawed; adoption agencies do not arbitrarily allow heterosexual couples to adopt children. It's much more extensive then that.

I want proof that children of gay couples end up with phychological problems.  And some more info.  Is it caused by the gay parents or the verbal abuse the family get from others?  What is the definition of "psychological problems", because i know conseratives who say being gay is a psychological problem.  

And I don't believe in the "good for society" argument.  You think maybe if all the gay bashing stops and gay families were able to lvie their lives without ridicule, that may in itself be good for society?

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It's quite simple. Throughout nature and in the history of humanity, children have needed two parents of both sexes. Children need a balance between both parents; and gay parents cannot provide this. This is why children with single parents have such difficult problems in thier future life. My friend's father, for instance, grew up without a father figure. He went through a lot of serious struggles later in life because of this, and it is most likely the reason for his bipolarism, which although is mostly a chemical imbalance, is also caused on account of post-traumatic stress. Imagine what it would be like, as a child, to be fatherless or motherless; to see your friend hug or kiss their mothers or fathers you do not have. It's morally wrong to put a child in such a bad situation.

Nonetheless, perhaps some statistics would help. According to a January 1996 Developmental Psychology issue, children raised by homosexual couples are four times more likely to become gay themselves. In an Australian study done last year, children raised by both homosexuals and heteroseuxlas found that in nine out of thirteen of the categories (social additude and academics), heterosexuals did much better than homosexual-raised children. According to Journal of Social Service Research, 15% of new criminal problems today are caused by children raised by homosexual parenting. Finally, According to a University of Southern California study:

1. Compared to the daughters of heterosexual mothers, the daughters of lesbians more frequently dress, play and behave in ways that do not conform to sex-typed cultural norms. They show greater interest in activities with both masculine and feminine qualities. They have higher aspirations to occupations that are not traditionally female.


2. In terms of aggression and play, sons of lesbians behave in less traditionally masculine ways. They are likely to be more nurturing and affectionate than their counterparts in heterosexual families.


3. One study examined by the researchers indicated that a significantly greater proportion of young adult children raised by lesbians had engaged in a same-sex relationship (six of 25 interviewed) than those raised by a heterosexual mother (none of 20 interviewed).


4. Those raised by lesbian mothers were also more likely to consider a homosexual relationship.


5. Teen-age and young adult girls raised by lesbian mothers appear to be more sexually adventurous and less chaste than girls raised by heterosexual mothers. Sons, on the other hand, were somewhat less sexually adventurous and more chaste than boys raised by heterosexuals.


6. The studies indicate that sexual orientation has no measurable effect on the quality of parent-child relationships or on the mental health of children.



Clearly, it is damaging for the child to grow up with a missing parent.

But if we look at this more logically, we can understand how these problems are created. What is the main purpose of homosexual's lievs? Sexuality. In heterosexual relationships, the goal for sex is producing a family. However, homosexuals use sex for merely pleasure. How are children to react to this? They end up growing up with the idea that sex is for pleasure only. In addition, there are numerous health problems in homosexual relationships since homosexuals use body parts for reasons other than their purpose. It is a very unhealthy lifestyle for children to be apart of. Gay adoption is threatening children's psychological development.

Listen to some of the words you used.  CONFORM.  TRADITIONAL.  Oh!  So we have to go by their standards.  More sex is bad.  Having tradition male jobs is bad.  What do those reasons say to me?  Be the traditional woman, or there is something wrong with you.  And more sexually active?!  So what!  Sex is NOT a bad thing!  

Sounds like whoever wrote this is the same as a conserative.  Conform, conform, conform.  Don't be your own person.  Be who we say you should be.  

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I'm not in "favor" of any of these options. we will either have marriage or civil unions, unions are better. The only reason gays want to be married is to force society as a whole to accept thier actions, making them feel better about themselves.

So, the various benefits bestowed by marriage, like being able to go into the hospital emergency room in the event of such an emergency, has no bearing on the issue whatsoever?

I said civil unions were acceptable. As long as we give them a civil union that includes all of the benefits of marriage, then the argument will be voided. After that then the only argument they can make is that it's discriminatory to not give them marriage, and they will lose on that front every time because the American people don't buy that crap.

Personally, I think ALL government recognized marriage should be civil unions, since in reality that is what they really are. I can see no logical reason to have a seperate term for same-sex relationships.

I agree with that. I think "marriage" should be left up to religious groups. Unfortunately legal marriage is too embeded into the American psyche.

Exactly.  It's embedded in the American psyche.  It's not going to go away.  I can't support any measure that says (to 2 couples of the same age) to one couple "You can" and to the other "You can't".  Sorry.  It's wrong.  By legalizing gay marriage, you make millions feel accpeted and better about themselves as a whole.  The conseratives get their panties in a knot?  Who cares.  

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On the 5-year old girl - this once again goes to consent. First off, the man is obviously a pedophile - so he has a psychological instability, calling his consent into question. Second, the little girl is obviously too young to understand the implications of marriage, or even sex, and does not have the mental capacity to consent to either.

I'm not arguing that. In fact, that in some ways makes my point. Marriage isn't just whatever you want it to be. It is what it is. One man-one woman.

Well, in a religious sense it could easily be defined as anything. However, to think of this issue as far as government is concerned(which is what we currently are doing), we need to consider factors such as harm relationships can cause(and I don't think SSM would cause harm) and other factors(like ability to consent, which may tie into the psychological stability of the participants as I said). I have yet to hear a compelling enough argument to convince me that SSM would cause anyone harm or that homosexuals are somehow too unstable to consent to such a relationship(if Brambilia reads this no doubt he'll go on a rant), so I can see no reason not to allow it.

I'm just expressing my personal view, and that's the way I see it. But, if you want to know the truth, I don't necesarilly think that the government should be in charge of marriage in the first place. The institution was much better off when it was under the control of churches.

Agreed.

I also agree.  But as long as there are legal marriages, gays should not be excluded.  

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I don't trust the APA at all. I've been involved with them all my life, skimmed through several of their books (my father is a psychologist, so we have quite a diverse collection of books on psychology). They are very corrupt and literally are run by homosexuals. In fact, many people become psychologists in an attempt to solve their own psychological problems.

Because the love the child needs comes from two parents; the father and the mother. The love the mother provides is different than what the father provides because of hormonal and sexual differences. If, for instance, you had two mothers, they're both going to be very sympathetic towards the child instead of disciplining him, so the child ends up getting away with wrongdoings. Meanwhile, if a child is raised by two fathers, he is constantly disciplined, and so fears taking risks on account of punishment. The list goes on.

So know you're saying all women are sympathetic and linient, and all males are tough and disciplied.  I know many people who parents are opposite, I know many whose parents are both one or the other.