2008 hypothetical: Bayh/Warner vs. Allen/Sanford (user search)
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Question: Who would win?
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Democrat -Evan Bayh/Mark Warner
 
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Democrat -George Allen/Mark Sanford
 
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Republican -Evan Bayh/Mark Warner
 
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Republican -George Allen/Sanford
 
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independent/third party -Evan Bayh/Mark Warner
 
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independent/third party -George Allen/Mark Sanford
 
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« on: July 16, 2005, 03:35:17 PM »



Polls show that Bayh's populism helps greatly in the midwest, making Minnesota, Michigan, and even Bayh's home state of Indiana easy wins for the Democrats.  The nomination of another southern conservative put the Northeast and West Coast in the Democratic column immediately.  Other populist Red states like Arkansas, Missouri, and Louisiana poll very close.  West Virginia goes back to its democratic roots considering the canidate. 



Bayh wins 322-216
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« Reply #1 on: July 17, 2005, 06:47:00 PM »

You have to worry about Bayh securing the base though.  I could see die hard liberals staying home.  In a close election it could cost him.  Still, I think he carries all of the Kerry states. IN is a def possibility.  I think he would do very well in Ohio by pulling some votes out of wester Ohio.

There aren't many people who are so liberal they couldn't bear to vote for Bayh.  But, as we saw with Nader, maybe enough to put Wisconsin, New Hampshire and other very close democratic states in the Republican column.  But I feel Bayh would win over some conservative Democrats that voted Bush, so I really think it's a wash. 
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« Reply #2 on: July 17, 2005, 06:50:03 PM »

Ben and others,

There is a cadre of Democrats on this board, and a cadre of Democrats nationally, who have an undeniable love affair with pretty white southerners and "moderates".  Democrats are always looking for someone who fits a particular profile.

They want a youngish, prefereable good looking, southern candidate.  John Edwards was the last souther pretty boy mdoerate.  Sure, all the Democrats stand back today and admit he was a liberal a dunce and not sufficiently experienced to be President, but that's not what they were saying before he flamed out.  They were saying the same things about Edwards they say today about Evan Bayh and Mark Warner.

They pretended Edwards was moderate.  He was not.  Today they pretend that Mark Warner, a tax hiker, and Evan bayh, who is so eager to pander to the base he actually voted against confirming Condie Rice.  Ben, you say Evan Bayh is a dedicated hawk?  Please.  He is no more a "hawk" than Kerry and Edwards were.

Bayh may be more experienced than Edwards, but the Democrats other allegedly moderate poster boy, Mark Warner, sure as hell isn't.  And regardless of their time in government, I have a hard time associating either one of these bland nothings with an issue.  What are they passionate about?  What noble stands has either taken?  McCain and Giulani are not conservatives by any meaningful definition, but neither could be said to lack political courage.  Where is the principle?  Where is the conviction?  Where is the passion?  What are these men  aside from people who enjoy the title of "moderate Democrat"?  Why would anyone, either in the Democrat primary or the general election, vote for either of these people unless they, like so many on this board, had an inusfferable penchant for declaring themselves moderate Democrats?

I'm sorry, but there's no there there.  As a famed liberal Democrat once said of the first boyish "moderate" Democrat, "Where's the beef?"

I fully expect you to flame away defending Bayh and Warner's moderate records, moderate moderate, moderate this blah blah blah.  Moderate.  Did I mention he's a moderate?  And I expect you to continue this until Bayh and Warner flame out just like John Edwards before them, and Gary Hart before him.  Once they flame out, you Democrats will no doubt find your next pretty boy empty suit who you will pretend is a moderate, but in fact he won't be moderate at all, he'll just be spineless, which is a far more apt definition for Warner and Bayh than anything else offered thus far.

So who's ready for Bill Nelson in 2012?

Is there just ONE good democrat in the Republican's eyes.  I mean, we gave you McCain, can't you give us props on just one guy?  Is voting against Condi Rice all you have against Bayh?
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