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Question: Is Maryland more Northeastern or Southern?
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muon2
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« on: January 01, 2014, 12:03:28 PM »

Some of the Eastern Shore might count as Southern, but that's a small fraction of the population. The bulk is Mid-Atlantic like PA, NJ, and NY.
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« Reply #1 on: January 01, 2014, 12:41:34 PM »

Objectively more Southern - though it's getting iffy - unless you decide that Blacks either do not count as Southern, or do not count full stop... which is exactly what White Americans do without noticing what they're doing when answering such questions.

Black Marylanders in Balto or in the DC suburbs are no more southern than blacks in Chicago or its suburbs. Both areas have southern roots dating back to the 1800's through early 1900's, but southern culture doesn't define those areas today. So unless Chicago is southern city (blacks made up the largest single group in 2010 at 32%) then neither is MD a southern state.
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« Reply #2 on: January 01, 2014, 06:01:44 PM »

Except that the Blacks moving from Mississippi to Chicago were consciously leaving the South, unlike those moving from rural Virginia or Maryland to DC or Baltimore. Which is not much different from leaving rural Alabama for Birmingham. And except that there's additionally a very large minority of clearly Southern people among the Whites of Maryland - not just in the rural parts but in the Baltimore Metro as well.
What people mean when they say Maryland is primarily a Northeastern state now (and no one would have dreamt of suggesting that when you were born) are actually saying that its White culture is primarily that of a Northeastern state now. Which is true but a different statement.


I think you are quite incorrect. The black population in Prince George's county is not southern and represents a large middle - upper middle class black population that is arguably unique in the US. The original black population from the slave era declined in numbers throughout the first half of the 1900s. The black population grew after WWII due to employment by the federal government and came from all over the US.  If they came from areas in the South, it was to consciously leave that region, much as you recognize in Chicago. As for Baltimore city, there is some common US urban black culture, but urban life in Balto is more like Philly than Richmond or Charlotte, and that defines its sense of region. Balto is a northeastern city by any measure.

I don't recall what views of MD existed when I was born, but by the time I was in college in the 70's MD was talked about as part of the Mid-Atlantic, not the South. Growth in the DC region driven by internal immigration to work for the federal government had been under way for a generation and its impact on the region was recognized by the 70's. That's not based on white views alone.

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« Reply #3 on: January 01, 2014, 09:40:28 PM »

You could make a great case the other metro area metro Baltimore is most like is Atlanta. Just not as sprawly.

I don't think there's much comparison between suburban Baltimore and suburban Atlanta.
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« Reply #4 on: January 02, 2014, 10:31:49 AM »



On a related note, I'm not sure exactly what it means, but the lack of correlation in 2012 between the presidential vote and the same-sex marriage referendum is really striking:

 

Anti-SSM Blacks?

Yes and pro-SSM suburban whites. Economic policy drove the presidential vote and that does not correlate with positions on social policy in many parts of the US. That's why we have a political matrix.
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