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« on: September 19, 2023, 08:28:05 AM »

Note that Hardeep Singh Nijjar is a Khalistan leader and is considered a terrorist.  States do this all the time: take out people who they consider terrorists and national security threats.  This sounds like a diplomatic failure between India and Canada.  This should have been resolved behind the scenes without going public mostly because this is pretty much SOP for powerful states to do all the time. 

Sikhs issues are a problem considering the current Indian government is unwilling to consider non-Hindu points of view and Canada has the largest Sikh community out of India (and is a swing community, politically).
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« Reply #1 on: September 19, 2023, 09:46:11 AM »

Note that Hardeep Singh Nijjar is a Khalistan leader and is considered a terrorist.  States do this all the time: take out people who they consider terrorists and national security threats.  This sounds like a diplomatic failure between India and Canada.  This should have been resolved behind the scenes without going public mostly because this is pretty much SOP for powerful states to do all the time. 

Sikhs issues are a problem considering the current Indian government is unwilling to consider non-Hindu points of view and Canada has the largest Sikh community out of India (and is a swing community, politically).

"Swing"? Have sikhs ever voted conservative? Or do you mean between liberals and NDP?

Surrey and Brampton did vote Conservative in 2011.
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« Reply #2 on: September 19, 2023, 02:41:10 PM »



"Swing"? Have sikhs ever voted conservative? Or do you mean between liberals and NDP?

I am still trying to figure out Trudeau's angle in all this.  He will need NDP votes in the next election to have any chance of winning.  But because NDP leader  Jagmeet Singh cares about  Khalistan does not mean the typical NDP voter cares about  Khalistan.

Sikhs areas in Ontario and BC voted for the Liberals in the most recent elections, but they are a key demographic in swing Liberal-Conservative ethonosuburbia in Toronto and Vancouver. Upsetting them is to throw away an handful of seats to the other side.
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« Reply #3 on: September 20, 2023, 09:57:32 AM »

https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/punjab/hardeep-singh-nijjar-fled-to-canada-on-fake-passport-in-1997-545930

"Hardeep Singh Nijjar fled to Canada on fake passport in 1997"

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Hardeep Singh Nijjar, whose killing in June, has led to a diplomatic row between India and Canada, fled India in February 1997 using the name ‘Ravi Sharma’ on a fake passport.

Several terror-related incidents, including targeted killings in Punjab, are alleged to have been carried out by Nijjar. His name figured on the most-wanted list handed over by then Punjab CM Captain Amarinder Singh to Canadian PM Justin Trudeau in February 2018.

Yes, that has been established already, as his multiple rejected asylum requests and him obtaining citizenship in 2015.
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« Reply #4 on: September 20, 2023, 03:48:52 PM »

When I watch Indian media, their narrative is

1) Trudeau is isolated internationally as none of their allies are speaking against India.
2) Trudeau is isolated domestically as the opposition is attacking his policies toward India
3) Large upsurge threats against Hindus in Canada
4) Trudeau  is already backtracking and will turn tail soon


Well, 2, 3 and 4 are plain lies, but remember that Indian media is always at danger of losing their licences/attacks by Hindu supremacists if they don't follow Modi's agenda.
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« Reply #5 on: September 22, 2023, 12:59:11 PM »

Canada is a weak and woke country under trudeau.

God you sound so stupid. Go live in India if Canada is too woke for you. Maybe I can take your place in Canada so its wokeness can protect me from based anti woke nationalists in my country.

That sounds like a plan to me I'd much rather be a US citizen. That however is not in the cards for me. So as OSR posted, I look forward to a return to Stephen Harper tier Canada when the country was much better off economically and we actually took a stand in the world. 1. strong supporters of israel 2. Told putin to eat crow and get out of ukraine and g8 3. Closer ties to India, free trade deal finalized with the EU in 2014

He got his citizenship in 2015. I wonder who was the Prime Minister for most of 2015...
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« Reply #6 on: September 23, 2023, 04:33:46 PM »

Canada is a weak and woke country under trudeau.

God you sound so stupid. Go live in India if Canada is too woke for you. Maybe I can take your place in Canada so its wokeness can protect me from based anti woke nationalists in my country.

That sounds like a plan to me I'd much rather be a US citizen. That however is not in the cards for me. So as OSR posted, I look forward to a return to Stephen Harper tier Canada when the country was much better off economically and we actually took a stand in the world. 1. strong supporters of israel 2. Told putin to eat crow and get out of ukraine and g8 3. Closer ties to India, free trade deal finalized with the EU in 2014

He got his citizenship in 2015. I wonder who was the Prime Minister for most of 2015...

In the United States, the party of the President (particularly when the president is a Republican) has virtually no bearing on the majority party among medium- and low-level federal government bureaucrats who would be responsible for making decisions such as approving citizenship requests. I know that the Canadian PM has more power over his country's government as a whole than the POTUS does, but nonetheless I imagine that the situation in Canada is like the US, in that the head of government's party does not impact the partisan leanings of the federal bureaucracy, and that the Canadian bureaucracy is disproportionately filled with individuals who lean towards the Liberal Party and who ideologically lean left-liberal, even when a Conservative PM is incumbent, considering

1) Leftists and liberals, at least in the Anglosphere and in the modern-day (dating back to the 70s if not earlier), are more "nepotistic" than conservatives in that they are more likely to fire or hire someone based on politics or party, or otherwise take politics into account when making hiring decisions.

2) IIRC All high-level and most medium-level (if not also many or most low-level) Canadian federal bureaucrats are required to be bilingual, which naturally creates an unfair advantage for Liberals at the expense not only of Conservatives, but also of NDPers, Quebecois-nationalist partisans, Greens, and independents.

As far as I know, the fact that Harper was the PM in 2015 does not mean that Harper had anything to do with Najjar obtaining citizenship. Then again, the Canadian Prime Minister has more domestic intra-national power than does the POTUS, so if I'm completely wrong you can enlighten me.

The Immigration Minister has the power to overrule its servants on some questions, and it's a power that is used multiple times a year to expel or reprieve people.

The Government and Minister also decide on the operationnal polities to be followed.

It was part of the Conservative strategy in Toronto ethnosurburbia during the 2008-2011 Parliament to designate the future candidates in Liberal seats well in advance and give that candidate a wide access to the Immigration Minister.
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« Reply #7 on: September 24, 2023, 09:39:33 AM »

The Khalistan movement is absolutely dead. There is no chance in hell there will ever be a Khalistan, so why did India feel it needed to do this?

There was and is also "no chance in hell" that America would ever become a Salafi Jihadist Islamic theocracy ruled by Al-Qaeda (at least if we only take secular and scientific evidence into account and ignore what any religious beliefs may dictate is likely to happen), yet we still felt compelled to kill Bin Laden in 2011.

Just because the Khalistan movement is "dead" in the sense that it will never feasibly become supported by a majority or near-majority of Punjabi Sikhs, let alone ever achieve its goals, the Khalistan movement can still inspire the occasional bombing or killing from time to time, something which furthermore makes India as a whole look like less functional as a multiethnic unified state in the eyes of both its own people and the World.

Quebec will never be an independent Marxist-Leninist single party state. Yet, if some Indian socialist mid-level bureaucrat approved the citizenship request of a former or current FLQ bigwig whom the Canadian government reasonably believed was still capable of inspiring terrorism, then I'm inclined to believe that the Canadian state - not to mention Britain and likely also the USA - would likely pursue an extrajudicial assassination of this "Indian citizen," even on Indian soil if necessary, and Canada would be completely justified in doing so in the case that this person was responsible for past FLQ attacks.

Canada would certainly not do that, considering every member came back from exile and were mostly condemned to jail terms of less an 1 year.

Two two leaders were found guilty and condemned to a live term, but they appealed, a second trial was done where was was found not guilty and the other condemned to 30 months in jail.
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