France legalizes same-sex marriage and adoption

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PS: Ibrahim Aboubacar (Mayotte-2) went from Abstain to Yes.
UMP: Dominique Tian (Bouches-du-Rhône-2) Yes to No (he voted Yes by error last time)
Alain Chrétien (Haute-Saône-1) No to Yes
Henri Guaino (Yvelines-3) No to Yes, I suppose he was quite confused, as he is very strongly opposed to it.
Luc Chatel (Haute-Marne-1) No to Yes
Marianne Dubois (Loiret-5) No to Yes

UDI: Jean-Louis Borloo (Nord-21) No to Yes

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How are erroneous votes that common in the French legislature? Seems like it should be an easy problem to fix, and a serious problem.

They vote with a small machine in front of their seat. People are just pressing the wrong button. It's not stand-up voting like US/Canada or lobby voting like UK.

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What does this mean for all French overseas territories?

Legal everywhere that is integral to France (French Guiana, Guadelope, Martinique, Reunion, Mayotte). They're as much a part of France as Paris. Not sure on areas with more autonomy like New Caledonia, but I suspect it does not apply.

Article 22 of the law specifies that the law will apply (except a few random parts which are not that important) to New Caledonia, French Polynesia and Wallis-et-Futuna.

So it applies to all but Saint Pierre et Miquelon, Saint Martin, and Saint Barthelemy?

I suppose it is applying there too, since all laws apply there except if they are in speical devolved areas, without the need of mentioning them in the law.

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To be fair, young French men often look and act "gay", for North American standards. We have lots of them on the campus, at Montréal, and it disturbs my gaydar very much.

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Ironically the French minister who helped push for legalized abortion in the '70s, Simone Veil opposed legalizing same-sex marriage. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simone_Veil

Lionel Jospin, the PS Prime Minister whose government created civil unions (PACS), also opposed same-sex marriage this year.

Really? I certainly get Veil, and I don't expect any politician from the 70s, even the most progressive minded, to support this, but Jospin?

What did you seriously expect from that fossil of another era?

[MaxQue]

Ironically the French minister who helped push for legalized abortion in the '70s, Simone Veil opposed legalizing same-sex marriage. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simone_Veil

Lionel Jospin, the PS Prime Minister whose government created civil unions (PACS), also opposed same-sex marriage this year.

Really? I certainly get Veil, and I don't expect any politician from the 70s, even the most progressive minded, to support this, but Jospin?

What did you seriously expect from that fossil of another era?

While Jospin certainly belongs to a previous generation of French politicians, I think that as a leftist and committed social progressive (PACS was as big a thing in 1999 as gay marriage is today, remember) he could well have supported it.

From what I get, he doesn't care much, but is pressured by his very bigoted wife.

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Sylviane Agacinski is a conservative?

She is strongly opposed to gay mariage, because mariage is based on the differences between men and women.
In short, she is one of the extreme feminists which seems to see gay marriage as a plot to undermine women, as two fathers could replace a woman.