SENATE BILL: End the Global War on Drugs Resolution (Passed)

[MaxQue]

Well, the goal should be to move from a drug strategy to a addiction strategy.
Some substances which aren't illegal nor are proposed to be recriminalized (tobacco, alcohol, medical drugs like Oxycodon, even things like solvants or gaz used in really poor areas to get fixes).

This is a complicated problem and we should be way of any simple solution.

Not a senator yet, there is a lot of bills about it in the queue and I'm pretty sure than this Senate won't manage to do all of it in the coming week.

[MaxQue]

Aye

[MaxQue]

Aye

It serves no use to be a part of a convention we don't plan to respect.
All those who voted nay, do you plan to criminalize pot and send buyers to jail? Because that's exactly what that convension forces us to do so.

[MaxQue]

It appears that this will be a sad, sad day for Atlasia.

So, you want to put pot users in jail?
It's what the conventions force us to do.

[MaxQue]

It appears that this will be a sad, sad day for Atlasia.

So, you want to put pot users in jail?
It's what the conventions force us to do.

I am not necessarily opposed to withdrawing from the conventions, but only when there is an alternative actually in place.  Replace and repeal, not repeal and replace!

Well, Atlasia can't write a convention alone and I don't than the SoEA has said than other countries were open to the idea.

An alternative might not be an option.

[MaxQue]

It appears that this will be a sad, sad day for Atlasia.

So, you want to put pot users in jail?
It's what the conventions force us to do.

I am not necessarily opposed to withdrawing from the conventions, but only when there is an alternative actually in place.  Replace and repeal, not repeal and replace!

Well, Atlasia can't write a convention alone and I don't than the SoEA has said than other countries were open to the idea.

An alternative might not be an option.

Then we can renegotiate it. 

I personnaly never heard about renegotiating conventions, but I'm not an expect in international law.
Anyways, the fact than we signed that convention and refuse to respect it removes all legiminity to our name on the convention and badly hurt the legitimacy of it.

[MaxQue]

The differences between Republican Healthcare and an internation convention is than it takes years to agree on a convention and there is too much countries still supporting the regressive approch than I'm not even sure there is a majority of countries in the world willing to replace that convention by a new one.

I don't have any proposal and I don't this is body has the job of proposing international agreements. We ratify them, but there are usually negiociated by governments behind closed doors, not in legislative bodies.

A clean-cut renunciation will sent a much clearer message than just saying "We want to renegiociate". We want to, but there is a lot of countries which don't. Perhaps we would have more information if the SoEA did survey the ground, instead of trying to do our job.

[MaxQue]

The resolution was amended following Polnut's statement to encourage the administration to begin negotiating a new framework. That's really all that the Senate is empowered to do.

And I don't mean to be snide, but you pretty clearly are comparing us to Congressional Republicans:

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The difference between these two situations is that the Senate cannot replace this treaty its own, as both Max and I have now noted. International treaties are not written by the legislature of any particular nation, nor should they be. The administration needs to work through its diplomatic agents to craft a proposal that's acceptable to other nations and in accord with Atlasian law.

Fair enough, although my intent was not to compare you to congressional Pubs, it was merely to point out the problems with a "repeal and replace" approach.  I am aware the Senate can't write new treaties, but you could lobby the Marokai administration to do so before introducing a bill like this.  The change you mentioned significantly improved the bill, but it is simply not the right time.

Why other nations would bother to renegociate it, if it seems than we like the current treaty enough to stay within?

Drugs are a taboo subjects in politics around the world. Us leaving the treaty will make news and open the debate in other countries.

[MaxQue]

We’re Atlasia—these agreements are worth piss all without having us at the table (for our size and our power).

Kyoto Protocol worked without us.

[MaxQue]

You think the Kyoto Protocol worked?

No, but did the War on Drugs worked either?

Kyoto Protocol was theorically in application even if Atlasia did not signed it. And what is better, countries which signed it but didn't applied any measures to respect or a country like Canada which withdrew from the Protocol?