Vatican City 2013 papal election

[MaxQue]

Who's in the running and where are they on the Vatican spectrum?
All I'm getting here in Canada is "Marc Oullet is a Canadian!!!!"

Believe me, I get it worse. He is from Quebec, so news are even pushing him more, and it's worse with local news, since he is born and grew in the same region than me, like 35 kilometers (22 miles) from my hometown.

So, it's really annoying and I look forward to the new Pope being elected.

[MaxQue]

How do you argue that Joseph Ratzinger was a Latin Pope ?

And what about John Paul II?

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In another wierd event, some English cardinal decided to say than priests should be allowed to wed and have kids.

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ABC News reports that the Pope will fly by helicopter from The Vatican to the Pope's summer residence outside of Rome. Very Nixonesque with the chopper.

I read that one week or two ago.

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OuEllet. Everybody foreign is hurting that name, even it's very common in Quebec.
No banking past for him, but a past in Curia, Quebec and Colombia.

By the way, Quebec news are getting crazy, we got a very long article on him playing hockey and the ice rink where he broke his leg while he was 19.

Sure, I hope it's him, since he is the local guy (local as he grew less than one hour away from a my home town and his first job after his ordination was vicar in church of my own town).

At least, it bring journalists in the region at a moment where hotels are pretty empty. 50 journalists is much (especially in the little village where he grew, of 450 inhabitants). International media are talking of that village, hopefully, that will bring some tourists (even if there is literaly nothing to see there). It's a small village near a beautiful lake, which attracted an artsy community.

[MaxQue]

You're from Val-d'Or, Max?

I thought it was pretty common knowledge (through I'm currently living on Montreal for studies).
Why?

[MaxQue]

Wierd choice. Still, given his focus on social justice and his mainstream social conservatism (no comments over the top), it's pretty good.

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What's his view on contraception?

Socially conservative, of course, but his views and contact with poverty is encouraging.

[MaxQue]

What's his view on contraception?

Socially conservative, of course, but his views and contact with poverty is encouraging.

Is he anti-poverty in the form of state spending or does he lean more towards individual charity?

In the sense of being aware of what poverty is and working with poor people to improve their lifes, instead of enclosing himself in an ivory tower. He seems humble, too, but that's only a feeling.

[MaxQue]

On gay marriage;

"Let's not be naive, we're not talking about a simple political battle; it is a destructive pretension against the plan of God. We are not talking about a mere bill, but rather a machination of the Father of Lies that seeks to confuse and deceive the children of God."

So it's the devils will in his eyes basically. I don't care what he eats, what he drives, where he lives or what kind words he throws at the poor. It still makes him an arse.

It obviously does, and there weren't really any realistic options of whom that isn't true. One can, however, be more or less of an arse than all the other arses. Being more of an arse than Schönborn but less of an arse than practically every other realistic contender, Francis is, for me, a source of extremely tentative and skittish relative optimism.

It's not only that. He had ties to the Argentine military dictatorship too which is disturbing. He was accused of hiding political prisoners of the state from human rights inspectors in his holiday home. That is quite frightening.

That...yes, actually, that's distinctly unnerving.

At the same time, I wouldn't believe those things without proofs. It's so easy to throw accusations like that to dirty someone, especially with the Church being one of the main opponents to Kirchner.

[MaxQue]

On gay marriage;

"Let's not be naive, we're not talking about a simple political battle; it is a destructive pretension against the plan of God. We are not talking about a mere bill, but rather a machination of the Father of Lies that seeks to confuse and deceive the children of God."

So it's the devils will in his eyes basically. I don't care what he eats, what he drives, where he lives or what kind words he throws at the poor. It still makes him an arse.

It obviously does, and there weren't really any realistic options of whom that isn't true. One can, however, be more or less of an arse than all the other arses. Being more of an arse than Schönborn but less of an arse than practically every other realistic contender, Francis is, for me, a source of extremely tentative and skittish relative optimism.

It's not only that. He had ties to the Argentine military dictatorship too which is disturbing. He was accused of hiding political prisoners of the state from human rights inspectors in his holiday home. That is quite frightening.

That...yes, actually, that's distinctly unnerving.

At the same time, I wouldn't believe those things without proofs. It's so easy to throw accusations like that to dirty someone, especially with the Church being one of the main opponents to Kirchner.

Yes, doing more reading, it seems like the range of opinions on Francis's role during the military dictatorship is pretty broad. One priest blames him for selling him out to the junta but he's also credited with saving the same priest's life (and another's) a few months later. Some people claim he also hid people from the junta. What's clear, though, is that he doesn't exactly seem to have been a profile in courage at that time.

Well, I doubt most posters here would have tried to clearly oppose the junta. Most people have a survival instinct and a desire to not be tortured.

[MaxQue]

BTW, did I ever tell you guys that USF is a Jesuit school? Some people here must be celebrating these days.

Jesuits, in the gay, liberal, atheist SF?
Impossible.

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BTW, did I ever tell you guys that USF is a Jesuit school? Some people here must be celebrating these days.

Jesuits, in the gay, liberal, atheist SF?
Impossible.

Yup, and none of these group as any issue with another. Progressive Catholics are awesome, and I know what I'm talking about, since all my family is.

Well, Jesuits aren't progressive Catholics. And I know progressive Catholics are awesome, my family is too.

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In Quebec news, Ouellet said than Francis said he wanted him as a collaborator to him, than he needs expericence people around him, as he is totally foreign to the Curia.

He said than he believe he thinks he has the confiance of the pope to continue in his current office and than Francis made a very precise and surprising demand about his work, but than he can't say more about it right now.

[MaxQue]

I still wonder why they voted him in.
He is quite different of the Establishment. And outsiders might be dangerous to the Establishment.

[MaxQue]

I still wonder why they voted him in.
He is quite different of the Establishment. And outsiders might be dangerous to the Establishment.

Maybe the college genuinely interested in turning towards the correct direction. They must have known any candidate that went so far as to fight for civil unions, even behind closed doors, is a significant departure in policy.

Or maybe it's just more shadow politics. Francis really does seem like the best kind of Pope we could hope for.

For civil unions, I suspect most, if not all, weren't aware of that. I'm more talking of his style, which is very different than previous popes (except perhaps John Paul 1st, but I don't want to draw any paralleles between them, for obvious reasons).