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« on: August 12, 2020, 04:32:38 PM »

Sounds like there are some major problems with this bill and it should get more input from farmers who could be affected by it before going forward.  But if farmers have to have such insanely large numbers of animals just to make a decent living, that sounds like a problem that needs to be addressed one way or another.  Maybe tariffs on imported meat is part of the solution.  All this may lead to making meat more expensive, but Americans could probably stand to eat a lot less meat anyway.
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« Reply #1 on: August 13, 2020, 10:19:54 AM »

Sounds like there are some major problems with this bill and it should get more input from farmers who could be affected by it before going forward.  But if farmers have to have such insanely large numbers of animals just to make a decent living, that sounds like a problem that needs to be addressed one way or another.  Maybe tariffs on imported meat is part of the solution.  All this may lead to making meat more expensive, but Americans could probably stand to eat a lot less meat anyway.

Some good points here.  Factory farming as we know it now will probably (hopefully?) be on its way out by 2040 when synthetic meat goes mainstream.  Breaking up those farms would obviously be a complex process, but boosting small family farms while simultaneously improving the conditions of the animals is a worthwhile goal as we transition to "real" factory farms that are efficient but also more humane and safer for workers.

I actually find the prospect of mass produced lab grown meat pretty disturbing. Seems to me it is devaluing animal life by treating it as merely raw material without its own identity.  I would prefer we go to eating only as many animals as we can raise or hunt while allowing them good lives of their own.
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« Reply #2 on: August 13, 2020, 04:00:57 PM »

I actually find the prospect of mass produced lab grown meat pretty disturbing. Seems to me it is devaluing animal life by treating it as merely raw material without its own identity.  I would prefer we go to eating only as many animals as we can raise or hunt while allowing them good lives of their own.

I'm not sure I understand.  How are we devaluing animal life by not killing animals for our food?

I'm not sure that's accurate: it involves creating and killing something which, on a cellular level, is animal.
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« Reply #3 on: August 13, 2020, 09:13:40 PM »


I actually find the prospect of mass produced lab grown meat pretty disturbing. Seems to me it is devaluing animal life by treating it as merely raw material without its own identity.  I would prefer we go to eating only as many animals as we can raise or hunt while allowing them good lives of their own.

I'm not sure I understand.  How are we devaluing animal life by not killing animals for our food?

I'm not sure that's accurate: it involves creating and killing something which, on a cellular level, is animal.

Do you mean, like, yeast?


No?   Yeasts are fungi and afaik use of yeast doesn't require fundamentally tampering with its natural life cycle, so I'm not sure of the comparison you are making.
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