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« on: November 18, 2019, 02:33:32 PM »

As a side note, Warren's merch game is on point:


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$25 mugs 
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« Reply #1 on: November 18, 2019, 04:42:29 PM »


does it say "rIcH pEoPle BAD!!" ?
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« Reply #2 on: November 19, 2019, 02:07:03 PM »

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Yes, I know it’s still early—at least for normal, healthy people who are perhaps only just now thinking about tuning in to presidential politics—but there’s a clear shift in Elizabeth Warren’s polling momentum. She was surging in Iowa. Now, she’s not. She was surging nationally. Now, her momentum seems to have stalled. The polling in New Hampshire is still all over the place, but one post-November 1 poll has Joe Biden back in the lead.

Why did I single out November 1? Because that’s the date she released her Medicare for All funding plan. And November is the month when the New York Times splashed the cold water of reality into the faces of the Democratic primary electorate.

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Oh, and there are some new indications that Warren herself might be uncomfortable with her Medicare for All funding rollout. She announced a transition plan—she pledges first to pass a public option (the Buttigieg plan), then three years later, pass true Medicare for All. Make no mistake, this is a thinly disguised climbdown.
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« Reply #3 on: November 19, 2019, 05:11:59 PM »

Warren is facing a full onslaught from the corporate media. The fact that she has the billionaire class shook up means she's probably still the real front runner. If the "smart money" is wasting their time and money to attack her they're doing so for a reason.

Those billionaire journalists at it again!
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« Reply #4 on: November 19, 2019, 05:26:41 PM »

Warren is facing a full onslaught from the corporate media. The fact that she has the billionaire class shook up means she's probably still the real front runner. If the "smart money" is wasting their time and money to attack her they're doing so for a reason.

Those billionaire journalists at it again!

Corporate owned media.

That's a meaningless slogan for when someone prints anything leftists don't like.
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« Reply #5 on: November 20, 2019, 02:29:48 PM »
« Edited: November 20, 2019, 02:39:30 PM by 🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸 »


Corporate owned media.


That's a meaningless slogan for when someone prints anything leftists don't like.

 There are less independent news sources and massive consolidation has happened in the news media space by big corporations. I think it's a pretty accurate label. You watch MSNBC which is supposedly "leftist" and its owned by Comcast.

Of course there is media consolidation.  That doesn't mean newspapers merely consist in whatever it is "billionaire" CEOs supposedly dictate is written on a day to day basis.

Besides which, NYT is pretty much its own thing.  Yes they're a corporation, but so is the Independent Daily Podunk Gazette or whatever.
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« Reply #6 on: November 23, 2019, 12:47:58 PM »

Every time I get nervous about whether Warren's MFA plan is feasible, I remember good progressives like Barkan and Pramila Jayapal think it's reasonable. If it's good enough for them, it's good enough for me.

Let alone being a system that works far better in many other industrialized countries with far better overall results.

I'm afraid of running anyone against Trump right now. It's not because he's invincible or we have bad candidates. It's because there's so much as stake and nothing is a sure thing. I am sick and tired about hearing about electability, not the least of which reasons include Hillary having a 20-25% lead over Trump in 2015. John Kerry was the electable candidate in 2004. John McCain was the electable candidate in 2008. Mitt Romney was the electable candidate in 2012. Hillary Clinton was the electable candidate in 2016. I don't want to hear anything more about electability.

I believe in Elizabeth Warren because she is not straying from the fight and the major issues that are actually facing this country. I don't think anyone in the race is more equipped and ready to fight against the Trump campaign. If there's anyone I believe that can keep Trump off balance, it's her. So far, Speaker Pelosi has been the only one capable of doing so as a direct opponent. I think Warren can do it as well.

Hillary's polling lead over Trump had fallen to 4 % by this time 4 years ago.
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« Reply #7 on: November 28, 2019, 09:53:19 AM »

Warren has no foreign policy experience whatsoever.  Every Prez nominee has had some: Kerry, Obama, Hilary and Biden who killed Bin Laden and Biden blunts Bernie's and Bloomberg's Jewish roots. Biden is close to Israel

Is this a joke?  She’s been in the Senate for 7 years and sits on the Armed Services committee.  She certainly has more foreign policy experience than Obama did (or any of the last four presidents).

She has some experience, but Obama played much more of a leadership role on foreign policy initiatives during his time in the Senate than Warren has.
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« Reply #8 on: December 03, 2019, 06:34:50 PM »



 This is why you can't sleep on Warren.

It doesn't mean that they'll specifically vote for her though. If there's one thing I ascribe to it's that most Americans are indeed in favor of most liberal or progressive policies but will draw the line when it comes to voting for a liberal or progressive candidate. It demonstrates how superficial our politics are-driven more by personality than by policy or practicality.

Or that a lot of people support a few progressive policies, but oppose a platform that combines many progressive policies together.
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« Reply #9 on: December 04, 2019, 04:14:29 PM »

She hasn't made any real mistakes on Healthcare except being realistic and detailed. There's an old saying that's attributed to Reagan about politics that "When you're explaining, you're losing."

 But Warren doesn't care she's not going to win because she's the most likable, or charismatic, or most ideological pure. Her brand is diagnosing big structural problems, finding solutions, and navigating those fixes through a resistant and awful bureaucracy that's almost entirely owned by the few and powerful. That is how she wins, that's how she persisted when people wrote off her campaign in the past.

Her mistake was to be unrealistic and detailed.
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« Reply #10 on: December 06, 2019, 12:16:20 AM »

When Warren talks about her own struggles in her past and compares them to what people are going through in present day America is when she is at her strongest. That's what she needs to communicate more if she wants to broaden her support beyond white college educated liberals.
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« Reply #11 on: December 21, 2019, 02:35:17 PM »

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On a Saturday evening in June 2018, with temperatures in the 70s and the Red Sox playing at Fenway Park, supporters of Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren gathered at the City Winery Boston for a fundraiser.

They were treated to songs by the Grammy-winning artist Melissa Etheridge and heard remarks from Warren, who was months away from announcing her campaign for the 2020 Democratic presidential nomination. For the top donors, those who could contribute or raise $5,400 per couple or $2,700 a person, there was a VIP photo reception and premium seating.

For them and others who gave at least $1,000, there was also a gift: a souvenir wine bottle.
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« Reply #12 on: December 22, 2019, 05:58:30 AM »

Warren trying to join together the billionaires & racism in some way:

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« Reply #13 on: January 04, 2020, 06:20:53 AM »

Elizabeth Warren has released her plan for disability rights.

Some of her proposals I think are worthy of strong support, such as reforming the asset & income limits for SSI/SSDI, and protecting parental rights of those with disabilities.

But at the beginning of the document she proposes something unrealistic and harmful - the idea that you can increase the number of people with disabilities in the workforce, even while you abolish the program that incentivizes companies to hire them and provide them with support, instead requiring that they be paid $15 per hour.

A lot of the rest is just tangentially framing her standard policies as having something to do with disabilities.  And so much of her plans depend on the federal government micromanaging to an even greater degree.  I wonder if it occurs to her, for example, that the special education field could attract and retain more quality people if teachers didn't have to bury themselves in legalistic paperwork.
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« Reply #14 on: January 31, 2020, 01:28:04 AM »
« Edited: January 31, 2020, 01:31:05 AM by 🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸 »

I thought she had plan for everything, but she couldn't answer a simple question. Well, she is used to CNN & MSNBC. They don't ask tough questions.

Bernie and Pete went to Fox News Town Hall. Warren didn't. This video explains why.

The counterpoints are staggeringly bad, even when they don't rely on the rhetorical trick of equating arguments for higher ed reform with arguments for universal debt forgiveness.

"An entire generation is getting screwed." No, that's only a minority who either drop out with debt or who graduate with more than they can afford. Even now, many Americans do not attend college, and most graduates are in much better financial shape:



The typical graduate is unlikely to reach their full earnings potential for many years, but average earnings straight out of a four-year degree are in the high $40s. Following an unambitious payment schedule, the typical debtor can expect to reduce their student loans to below the list price of a Nissan Versa by the end of their twenties. And most graduates have the means to be more ambitious.

When all else fails, they fall back to calling critics selfish, as if there were no other morally just way to spend $1.6 trillion.

In fairness, any college graduate who believes that "the idea that a bachelor’s degree nowadays is a springboard to high earnings is false" clearly has been cheated. They have graduated without basic skills in research or critical thinking.

Clearly all else being equal, a college education is a big plus, and so a blanket debt cancellation for everyone would be unsound.  But even with a substantially higher income on average, there can be wide variation in the distribution.  Some populations, including some among those with the largest debt loads, might not be in as great financial shape.
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« Reply #15 on: January 31, 2020, 01:29:24 AM »

It's desperate pandering to a community that has no interest in supporting Warren.

why do you say they don't have interest in supporting Warren?
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