AOC says migrants forced to drink toilet water after tense border visit

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Yeah I will refuse to call these camps concentration camps considering the people are voluntarily choosing to come here.

Huh? That doesn't even make sense. They are choosing to come to America because of terrible, unlivable conditions in their home country. Coming to America has literally nothing to do with whether a detention center's conditions are so bad that they merit being called concentration camps. I don't even understand how you made that connection.

It's not a concentration camp if you can choose to leave and go back to where you were before.  That's not to minimize what these people are fleeing. Obviously if they are choosing to stay through all this in hopes of obtaining asylum then what they left must be pretty bad.  And the CBP staff, dealing with managing this with a lack of resources, might have little incentive to try to make it better for the arrivals but instead be tempted to just allow it to be bad enough that the most desperate leave so that they aren't so overwhelmed with people beyond their capacity.

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https://www.democracynow.org/2019/6/26/house_progressives_vote_against_dhs_funding

So why did AOC and other "progressives" vote against an ICE funding bill that included money to upgrade these detention centers?

The answer is simple:  The Left WANTS these facilities to become so horrible that they will be shut down after a huge outcry, and the centers will be closed, all of the inhabitants allowed to stay in the US, and all part of a movement to implement Open Borders in stages.

The reason the conditions in these facilities are what they are is because of the massive (and unforseen) increase in illegal immigration; an increase that has been encouraged by leftist groups in America and outside of America.  And the Democratic Party encourages this by essentially advocating an immigration enforcement policy that tells people in other countries that if they can swim the Rio Grande River, they're Home Free.  Today's Democratic Party has no intention of enforcing our immigration laws; they wish to see enforcement fail in order to implement Open Borders, and they wish to do so regardless of whether or not it is good for American citizens.

We are Americans, Fuzzy. We DO NOT treat humans in this manner, PERIOD. If there isn't a big enough budget and or enough room in the centers, you don't overfill them. You let the excess people go, either in America or Mexico or whatever conservatives want, I don't care. Then, you can go on Fox News or the floor of congress and say that we're letting too many people go, and that it's a serious problem tbat needs to be addressed. Then you address it in one way or another, which is it's own seperate debate.

Christians should not tolerate this treatment of people in America. Jesus would be DISGUSTED with this, and you should be ashamed if you'd rather lock them up like animals than to send them back with zero punishment.

They are asylum seekers and so legally can't be sent back without a court hearing to see if they are allowed to stay.  This has nothing to do with punishment.

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https://www.democracynow.org/2019/6/26/house_progressives_vote_against_dhs_funding

So why did AOC and other "progressives" vote against an ICE funding bill that included money to upgrade these detention centers?

The answer is simple:  The Left WANTS these facilities to become so horrible that they will be shut down after a huge outcry, and the centers will be closed, all of the inhabitants allowed to stay in the US, and all part of a movement to implement Open Borders in stages.

The reason the conditions in these facilities are what they are is because of the massive (and unforseen) increase in illegal immigration; an increase that has been encouraged by leftist groups in America and outside of America.  And the Democratic Party encourages this by essentially advocating an immigration enforcement policy that tells people in other countries that if they can swim the Rio Grande River, they're Home Free.  Today's Democratic Party has no intention of enforcing our immigration laws; they wish to see enforcement fail in order to implement Open Borders, and they wish to do so regardless of whether or not it is good for American citizens.

We are Americans, Fuzzy. We DO NOT treat humans in this manner, PERIOD. If there isn't a big enough budget and or enough room in the centers, you don't overfill them. You let the excess people go, either in America or Mexico or whatever conservatives want, I don't care. Then, you can go on Fox News or the floor of congress and say that we're letting too many people go, and that it's a serious problem tbat needs to be addressed. Then you address it in one way or another, which is it's own seperate debate.

Christians should not tolerate this treatment of people in America. Jesus would be DISGUSTED with this, and you should be ashamed if you'd rather lock them up like animals than to send them back with zero punishment.

They are asylum seekers and so legally can't be sent back without a court hearing to see if they are allowed to stay.  This has nothing to do with punishment.

They can be released on their own recognizance, as was done before the concentration camps were set up, or at least before they were expanded to their current catastrophic levels.

Camps were expanded?  Anyway, What does that have to do with what I said?

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In any case, those are horrible conditions. The only question is how widespread they are. And the only possible answer is not abolishing ICE or whatever, but increasing funding so migrants can actually be processed in humane conditions.

That's not really a solution when Trump and his supporters WANT the conditions to be as bad as possible as some kind of "deterrent."

(And unlike our dear friend, I'm not just making up a motivation for the other side and declaring it to be fact. Trump has actually said this.)

Then why did the Democrats vote against ICE Funding that would have alleviated this?

The reason, obviously, is because they want to (A) abolish ICE (long term) and (B) keep their "concentration camp" narrative going (short term) to gain support for the abolition of ICE, an idea that does not have majority public support at present.

The Democrats also hope that conditions become so bad in these camps that a Federal Judge will order the release of large numbers of detainees on some sort of bond or release on their own recognizance prior to some sort of future Court action for their situations.  They won't say this, of course, but why else would they vote against funding designated to alleviate the conditions in ICE Detention Centers.

The reason for the problematic conditions is the overwhelming number of persons that have illegally entered America with the encouragement of the political left in America.  Our ICE Detention system was not problematic until the immigration issue became one where Democrats actively celebrated illegal immigrants.  (They had them on stage at the 2016 DNC; don't tell me that this isn't so.) 

Additional funding wouldn’t alleviate this because this is what the Trump administration WANTS TO DO.

He’s SAID THIS. EXPLICITLY.

When did he say this?   Does that make it official policy?   You think if Congress passed funding for this purpose CBP wouldn't use it?

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In any case, those are horrible conditions. The only question is how widespread they are. And the only possible answer is not abolishing ICE or whatever, but increasing funding so migrants can actually be processed in humane conditions.

That's not really a solution when Trump and his supporters WANT the conditions to be as bad as possible as some kind of "deterrent."

(And unlike our dear friend, I'm not just making up a motivation for the other side and declaring it to be fact. Trump has actually said this.)

Then why did the Democrats vote against ICE Funding that would have alleviated this?

The reason, obviously, is because they want to (A) abolish ICE (long term) and (B) keep their "concentration camp" narrative going (short term) to gain support for the abolition of ICE, an idea that does not have majority public support at present.

The Democrats also hope that conditions become so bad in these camps that a Federal Judge will order the release of large numbers of detainees on some sort of bond or release on their own recognizance prior to some sort of future Court action for their situations.  They won't say this, of course, but why else would they vote against funding designated to alleviate the conditions in ICE Detention Centers.

The reason for the problematic conditions is the overwhelming number of persons that have illegally entered America with the encouragement of the political left in America.  Our ICE Detention system was not problematic until the immigration issue became one where Democrats actively celebrated illegal immigrants.  (They had them on stage at the 2016 DNC; don't tell me that this isn't so.) 

Additional funding wouldn’t alleviate this because this is what the Trump administration WANTS TO DO.

He’s SAID THIS. EXPLICITLY.

When did he say this?   Does that make it official policy?   You think if Congress passed funding for this purpose CBP wouldn't use it?

I can’t find it right now, but he recently tweeted something like what blue avatars here have been posting, that migrants can avoid this treatment by simply not coming. The implication is that he’s satisfied to have those poor conditions serve as a deterrent.

in other words a pretty far cry from "He’s SAID THIS. EXPLICITLY." much less evidence of it being official policy.

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In any case, those are horrible conditions. The only question is how widespread they are. And the only possible answer is not abolishing ICE or whatever, but increasing funding so migrants can actually be processed in humane conditions.

That's not really a solution when Trump and his supporters WANT the conditions to be as bad as possible as some kind of "deterrent."

(And unlike our dear friend, I'm not just making up a motivation for the other side and declaring it to be fact. Trump has actually said this.)

Then why did the Democrats vote against ICE Funding that would have alleviated this?

The reason, obviously, is because they want to (A) abolish ICE (long term) and (B) keep their "concentration camp" narrative going (short term) to gain support for the abolition of ICE, an idea that does not have majority public support at present.

The Democrats also hope that conditions become so bad in these camps that a Federal Judge will order the release of large numbers of detainees on some sort of bond or release on their own recognizance prior to some sort of future Court action for their situations.  They won't say this, of course, but why else would they vote against funding designated to alleviate the conditions in ICE Detention Centers.

The reason for the problematic conditions is the overwhelming number of persons that have illegally entered America with the encouragement of the political left in America.  Our ICE Detention system was not problematic until the immigration issue became one where Democrats actively celebrated illegal immigrants.  (They had them on stage at the 2016 DNC; don't tell me that this isn't so.) 

Additional funding wouldn’t alleviate this because this is what the Trump administration WANTS TO DO.

He’s SAID THIS. EXPLICITLY.

When did he say this?   Does that make it official policy?   You think if Congress passed funding for this purpose CBP wouldn't use it?

I can’t find it right now, but he recently tweeted something like what blue avatars here have been posting, that migrants can avoid this treatment by simply not coming. The implication is that he’s satisfied to have those poor conditions serve as a deterrent.

in other words a pretty far cry from "He’s SAID THIS. EXPLICITLY." much less evidence of it being official policy.

His people, and he, have said that conditions are fine, that it’s like a summer camp, that it’s better than these people have ever been treated, and also that people can avoid their treatment if they just stay home. Sure, you can quibble about whether this is explicit policy or something that has emerged, but it’s clear that the current situation of torture camps for children satisfies them just fine.

"Satisfies them"?   Who is "them"? 

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The policy that you claim amounts to "wanting fewer brown people in the country" by unnamed administration officials is, at the level of interaction with immigrants, being implemented disproportionately by brown people.  So if you expect people to believe your claim that more funds for a chronically underfunded activity wouldn't make a difference in implementation, you need to show some evidence that it is being treated as a sustained policy from top to bottom and not just some tweet reflective of what side of the bed the President woke up on in any given day.

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Pretending not to know that there are racist immigration hardliners in this administration, and that we all know who they are, would be maddening if it wasn’t just so boring.

That's a very clever way of not being on the record and thus protect your half-formed hypothesis from scrutiny.

What's maddening is people intent on ignoring all complexity as to the source of a problem and its solution due to their TDS.

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Pretending not to know that there are racist immigration hardliners in this administration, and that we all know who they are, would be maddening if it wasn’t just so boring.

That's a very clever way of not being on the record and thus protect your half-formed hypothesis from scrutiny.

What's maddening is people intent on ignoring all complexity as to the source of a problem and its solution due to their TDS.

What's maddening is you are implacable contrarian syndrome. As if you need to be convinced when Trump explicitly says that he wants the conditions in the camp to be a lesson for potential asylum-seekers thinking about coming to America, and your response is along the lines of, oh yeah? Well prove that he really honestly minute! Checkmate, libtards.

And then when people look at you with astonishment in response? Trump derangement syndrome! Double checkmate libtards!

I will ask you what I asked figs, which he couldn't provide: when was it that Trump explicitly said this?

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Pretending not to know that there are racist immigration hardliners in this administration, and that we all know who they are, would be maddening if it wasn’t just so boring.

That's a very clever way of not being on the record and thus protect your half-formed hypothesis from scrutiny.

What's maddening is people intent on ignoring all complexity as to the source of a problem and its solution due to their TDS.

What's maddening is you are implacable contrarian syndrome. As if you need to be convinced when Trump explicitly says that he wants the conditions in the camp to be a lesson for potential asylum-seekers thinking about coming to America, and your response is along the lines of, oh yeah? Well prove that he really honestly minute! Checkmate, libtards.

And then when people look at you with astonishment in response? Trump derangement syndrome! Double checkmate libtards!

I will ask you what I asked figs, which he couldn't provide: when was it that Trump explicitly said this?

Are you asking honestly because you believe Trump doesn’t believe this? Or are you trying to score points? Your conduct indicates an obvious answer, but I figured I’d ask so you could have a chance to explain your motives.

lol