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« on: February 25, 2016, 03:54:50 PM »

At the time most of these people emigrated (the 1700's and early 1800's) there wasn't really a singular "English" identity

Yes there was. In fact there was much more of one than a French identity in France, a German identity in the German states, etc.

Of course Englishness differed (and differs) in different parts of England, but it is a big country (population-wise at least) and that kind of thing is absolutely normal. Of course it can also be true of very small countries, as in Wales.

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No, they most certainly did regard themselves as English and did so every bit as much as people further south. The Venerable Bede was a Northumbrian you know.

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The Border was (and is) lightly populated and there isn't much in the way of settlement continuity around it (Berwick-upon-Tweed is like the only significant exception). You cross the border and the accents change pretty much automatically. Quite different from the Anglo-Welsh border which is 'deep' and very porous. Cumberland is very English, Dumfriesshire is very Scottish.

There was clearly a lot of migration from Cumberland, and many families with branches on both sides of the English-Scottish border (Taylor, Graham, Jackson, etc).  Wasn't the relative emptiness you speak of in terms of the border due to a large degree to the actions of the Crown to pacify the region in the 17th and 18th century?
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