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« on: January 19, 2015, 12:50:26 AM »
« edited: January 19, 2015, 01:11:18 AM by shua »

I agree with the OP and RFayette's points in general. But why would northern republicans generally implement more liberal policy than southern democrats throughout the 20th century, yet southern democrat senators were to the left of northern republican senators on economics for most of that period? Most prominent southern democratic senators in that period supported New Deal or otherwise progressive economic ideas, even if they were racist to varying degrees, like Bilbo, Byrd, Johnson, etc. Why didn't that happen at the state level?

It's hard to define any dominant economic ideology of the Southern Democrats in Congress.* There was some opposition to the New Deal among Southerners in Congress, but the South had the ability to shape legislation to regional interests since the Southerners had a high level of influence over committees and the workings of the congressional majority.  The prospect of redistribution between states would be attractive to a Senator from a poor Southern state hit hard by the Depression more than redistributory policies at the state level, so long as the perception was that the Federal policies would reinforce rather than upend the state's social structure in the course of relieving poverty.

*(edit: Well, that's not quite accurate. There is an ideology of support for an agricultural-based economy and low tariffs. When it comes to the level and kind of government involvement in the economy and what might be called progressive legislation it is quite variable...)
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« Reply #1 on: January 19, 2015, 01:34:50 AM »

I hate this idea that somehow prohibition was some kind of right-wing movement. It was one of the notions brought about by progressivism that the government could intervene to solve a social ill, very much left wing in it's time. The right wingers in 1912 were very much anti-prohibition, being fueled by business interests diametrically opposed to the idea.

Prohibition was both a progressive and a conservative movement, to the extent that the delineation between a left and a right on the issue is irrelevant. The same can be said for the Eugenics of the time - it combined a vision of social improvement and a concern for cultural and ethnic stability. 
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« Reply #2 on: January 22, 2015, 04:59:30 PM »

I posted this article on Vermont's voting pattern's a while back.  It's interesting, and I'd like to see people here think.  I'm not saying it's completely correct, but it suggests that Vermont has always had a libertarian streak on issues of personal liberty.

I don't think that Vermont has always been left-wing, and they're still conservative in some ways, but the state has a long record of supporting civil rights.  They even elected a black man to the state legislature during the 1830s.

On the other hand that acceptance wasn't always extended to immigrants. Just ask this guy:


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« Reply #3 on: February 01, 2015, 11:11:19 AM »

Vermont has always been anti-Southern

Anti-Southern =/= left wing.  It has, throughout history, coincided with for people's basic rights.

It doesn't mean "right-wing" either, you can't put stuff like that in the context of modern American political terms like "right-wing" and "left-wing".

I completely agree.

I don't know that culturally old school rural Vermonters were necesserily all that different from rural southerners. Maybe culturally appalachian.

Is this "all rural people look alike to me"? Tongue
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