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« on: December 11, 2014, 11:08:10 AM »

lol ... just what we were missing in our constitutional jurisprudence: more debates about the meaning of 18th century words.
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« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2014, 11:18:40 AM »

lol ... just what we were missing in our constitutional jurisprudence: more debates about the meaning of 18th century words.
You prefer the current version maybe?

I'm not sure. I guess having militias might be fun.
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« Reply #2 on: December 11, 2014, 11:21:17 PM »
« Edited: December 11, 2014, 11:23:12 PM by shua »

Is this really that restrictive?  I don't know why we would assume that explosives would not be covered under the "arms" which people have a right to hold to defend their freedoms. The language of this amendment makes no sense if the people's militias are not able to hold their own against the regular standing army.

I read this amendment as protecting the people from the explosives of their government by allowing them an effective defense against it.
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« Reply #3 on: December 12, 2014, 03:30:23 AM »

Is this really that restrictive?  I don't know why we would assume that explosives would not be covered under the "arms" which people have a right to hold to defend their freedoms. The language of this amendment makes no sense if the people's militias are not able to hold their own against the regular standing army.

I read this amendment as protecting the people from the explosives of their government by allowing them an effective defense against it.
"The right to keep and bear fire-arms and low-potency explosives shall not be infringed."

I don't see how it couldn't be interpreted as an amendment protecting people  wearing grenades etc,...

And furthermore, considering there is basically no definition of what is "low", I believe everyone can argue that dynamite is low.

Are not dynamite and grenades "arms" also, and thus exist within the category protected from infringement under the amendment being voted on?  If the Constitution as written does not allow for the banning of grenades, then neither does this amendment being voted on allow for their banning either.
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« Reply #4 on: December 12, 2014, 11:02:11 PM »


Yes, and they are also arms.
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« Reply #5 on: December 16, 2014, 10:28:19 PM »


is this an anime reference?

Windjammer, an "arm" just means a weapon or armament.  When people talk about supplying rebels with "arms" they do not just mean guns.  The use of the term predates the introduction of guns.  And your amendment here says that the right to such arms "shall not be infringed."
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« Reply #6 on: December 20, 2014, 04:01:54 PM »

We really ought to have a process for certifying the adoption of amendments.
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