SENATE BILL: The Save Our Sharks Act of 2014 (Law'd) (user search)
       |           

Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
Did you miss your activation email?
June 16, 2024, 01:51:31 PM
News: Election Simulator 2.0 Released. Senate/Gubernatorial maps, proportional electoral votes, and more - Read more

  Talk Elections
  Atlas Fantasy Elections
  Atlas Fantasy Government (Moderators: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee, Lumine)
  SENATE BILL: The Save Our Sharks Act of 2014 (Law'd) (search mode)
Pages: [1]
Author Topic: SENATE BILL: The Save Our Sharks Act of 2014 (Law'd)  (Read 1661 times)
🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸
shua
Atlas Star
*****
Posts: 25,828
Nepal


Political Matrix
E: 1.29, S: -0.70

WWW
« on: April 20, 2014, 10:12:01 PM »

I shall support this bill; sharks are our friends.

So are pigs and cows. 
Logged
🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸
shua
Atlas Star
*****
Posts: 25,828
Nepal


Political Matrix
E: 1.29, S: -0.70

WWW
« Reply #1 on: April 21, 2014, 12:18:13 PM »

Not every country has a highly developed police force that has the resources to go after things like this.  They have enough of a hard time confronting crimes against humans. We should be working on cooperating with other nations on this rather than economic threats that don't respect the conditions in these countries.  If we place sanctions on them, it just makes the people there more desperate and likely to engage in unsustainable practices.

Also I'm generally not a fan on punishing people for what they put in their bodies.

Quote from: Restricted
You must be logged in to read this quote.
Logged
🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸
shua
Atlas Star
*****
Posts: 25,828
Nepal


Political Matrix
E: 1.29, S: -0.70

WWW
« Reply #2 on: April 22, 2014, 07:18:59 PM »

AYE
Logged
🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸
shua
Atlas Star
*****
Posts: 25,828
Nepal


Political Matrix
E: 1.29, S: -0.70

WWW
« Reply #3 on: April 25, 2014, 05:13:03 PM »

Quote from: Restricted
You must be logged in to read this quote.
Logged
🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸
shua
Atlas Star
*****
Posts: 25,828
Nepal


Political Matrix
E: 1.29, S: -0.70

WWW
« Reply #4 on: April 25, 2014, 10:39:06 PM »

Thanks!
Logged
🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸
shua
Atlas Star
*****
Posts: 25,828
Nepal


Political Matrix
E: 1.29, S: -0.70

WWW
« Reply #5 on: April 28, 2014, 08:58:30 AM »

I support the ban on shark finning, but a lot of species, not just sharks, face threats from overfishing in general, and I'm not sure a complete ban on all sharks species regardless of their endangered/threatened status is the right approach. 


Nay
Logged
🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸
shua
Atlas Star
*****
Posts: 25,828
Nepal


Political Matrix
E: 1.29, S: -0.70

WWW
« Reply #6 on: April 28, 2014, 12:21:30 PM »

I support the ban on shark finning, but a lot of species, not just sharks, face threats from overfishing in general, and I'm not sure a complete ban on all sharks species regardless of their endangered/threatened status is the right approach. 


Nay

So you're going to potentially allow more sharks to die because this bill doesn't go far enough?

If sharks that have relatively healthy populations now are not going to be able to be fished, meanwhile some of the species the sharks are eating are already threatened by overfishing, can you see how that can be a problem?
Logged
🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸
shua
Atlas Star
*****
Posts: 25,828
Nepal


Political Matrix
E: 1.29, S: -0.70

WWW
« Reply #7 on: April 29, 2014, 12:42:44 AM »

Aye. To consider killing a species just because we refuse to regulate something is ridiculous. Sharks eating fish creates a balance in the ecosystem, us killing everything in the ocean is everything but that.

It's not ridiculous to consider the combined effects of both human and other predator species on small fish.  It's not ridiculous to consider the changing facts on the ground in the sea when developing a solution.  You know it's becoming easier in the North Atlantic to find dogfish than it is to find the cod the dogfish eat?  So why are we banning killing the less immediately threatened species?

Logged
🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸
shua
Atlas Star
*****
Posts: 25,828
Nepal


Political Matrix
E: 1.29, S: -0.70

WWW
« Reply #8 on: April 29, 2014, 11:47:28 AM »
« Edited: April 29, 2014, 11:53:32 AM by shua »

This has enough votes to pass.  Senators have 24 hours to object.

In that case I object. Tongue

(I think you meant change their votes.)   

If this does pass, I encourage the President to veto this or redraft it.   If the Senator from the Northeast is not going to look out for the needs of New England's fishermen, someone has to.
Logged
🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸
shua
Atlas Star
*****
Posts: 25,828
Nepal


Political Matrix
E: 1.29, S: -0.70

WWW
« Reply #9 on: April 29, 2014, 05:04:23 PM »

I wouldn't be completely opposed to a redraft changing it to only banning the consumption of endangered sharks, though finning, regardless of how endangered the animal is, is a fairly disgusting practice. I'd also presume that atlasia has a better policy in these areas anyway than the US.

It's sort of irritating that this objection has only just been discovered though.

I was so focused on the international relations aspect of this I didn't come to this issue until I was looking into whether to vote for the final bill.   It's true that it would be great if we had more people looking into the various aspects of bills and recognize problems sooner.
Logged
🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸
shua
Atlas Star
*****
Posts: 25,828
Nepal


Political Matrix
E: 1.29, S: -0.70

WWW
« Reply #10 on: May 05, 2014, 04:08:42 PM »

Aye
Logged
Pages: [1]  
Jump to:  


Login with username, password and session length

Terms of Service - DMCA Agent and Policy - Privacy Policy and Cookies

Powered by SMF 1.1.21 | SMF © 2015, Simple Machines

Page created in 0.036 seconds with 12 queries.