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Alben Barkley
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« on: August 30, 2020, 02:59:45 PM »

We all know Trump sucks Chris, no reason to be all hyperbolic. This guy literally only cares about making guns illegal and keeping taxes as high as possible for the middle class while simultaneously opposing universal healthcare. A big war hawk too iirc. The worst kind of corporate Democrat, Dems like that are the reason I'll never have a red avi.

You sure the real reason isn’t that you are a Trump concern troll who is constantly talking about how he is destined to win?

I’d fact check you on your ridiculous claims about middle class taxes and healthcare, but it would be pointless and since you are obviously not a good faith poster, wouldn’t be worth my time.
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Alben Barkley
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« Reply #1 on: August 30, 2020, 03:01:33 PM »

Murphy is a hack. Saying Trump wants people to die undercuts the case against his handling of the virus.

How? Whether Trump has blood on his hands because of negligence or malice, doesn’t really matter. Not like the latter makes it BETTER.
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Alben Barkley
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« Reply #2 on: August 30, 2020, 03:03:08 PM »

He doesn't actively want his supporters to die, but I do think he doesn't care about the risk to them and satisfying his ego is his top priority instead.

This is probably right. It’s more that he doesn’t give a f—k because he’s a sociopath who doesn’t see any value in people beyond how he can use them to his advantage. Even still, what he’s doing is dumb even  from that ice cold perspective because it’s killing off his voters.
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Alben Barkley
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« Reply #3 on: August 30, 2020, 03:12:05 PM »

We all know Trump sucks Chris, no reason to be all hyperbolic. This guy literally only cares about making guns illegal and keeping taxes as high as possible for the middle class while simultaneously opposing universal healthcare. A big war hawk too iirc. The worst kind of corporate Democrat, Dems like that are the reason I'll never have a red avi.

You sure the real reason isn’t that you are a Trump concern troll who is constantly talking about how he is destined to win?

I’d fact check you on your ridiculous claims about middle class taxes and healthcare, but it would be pointless and since you are obviously not a good faith poster, wouldn’t be worth my time.

Don't you post on r/neoliberal? 😂

I hate Trump but I'm not living in 1992 like you.

Your purported matrix scores make it seem like you would fit right in there. Hell, they are more “neoliberal” than mine are. I post there, yes, but am to the left of the average user. Who by the way is significantly to the left of the textbook “neoliberal” anyway. The sub was started to use the name semi-ironically as a reaction to having it hurled at us (who used to just be considered regular old liberals) from socialists online. Most of us are just mainstream Dems, more or less. But it’s a big tent sub. FDR and Reagan represent the extreme ends of left and right that make up the sub, more or less, which is good because that’s about where the Overton window should be.

That said, I’ll own the charge of living in 1992. Was a great year. 90s were a great decade. W f—ked up everything, Obama was blocked in most of his attempts to fix it by Congressional Republicans, and Trump has of course made everything infinitely worse. I’m not saying the 90s were perfect in every way, especially not by today’s standards, but returning to that level of stability and less polarization would be a start, at least.

Anyway, my main beef with you is that you continue to insist Trump is destined to win despite any and all logical arguments and evidence to the contrary. If you really hate Trump, I find it hard to believe you would so relentlessly make these uphill arguments that are a major stretch at best. Even if you’re the defeatist kind of liberal/leftist, I’d expect you to just say your gut still thinks Trump will win but you hope you’re wrong. But that’s not what you do. You find every little possible cherry to pick to defy the mass of evidence to the contrary, then when called out just continually move the goalposts. That’s what sets off the concern troll flag for me.
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Alben Barkley
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« Reply #4 on: August 30, 2020, 04:00:47 PM »

By the way, it might interest you to know that Reagan lost our recent 1980 mock election in r/neoliberal — got trounced by both Carter AND Anderson in fact. And multiple recent highly upvoted memes and posts have mocked and attacked Reagan for his handling of AIDS and Iran-Contra in particular.

So anyone who sees “neoliberal” and thinks that means the sub is full of Reagan stans is mistaken.

Indeed, repeated surveys have shown most of the sub identifies as “center-left” even over “center.” It is definitely a sub that skews left, just not Bernie left.

And I prefer it for being big tent and not dogmatic, much for the same reasons I like this place in fact. Even if they infuriate me to no end, I like knowing that there are dissenting voices to my left and right which are tolerated. “Purist” forums that shut down all dissent quickly become echo chambers and are no fun at all.
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