Update on how sanctuary city works

[Sbane]

Victims of illegal immigrants? huh, last time I checked less of them were criminals porportionally than citizens.

Please cite the source you checked.

http://www.workingimmigrants.com/2008/02/immigrants_have_lower_incarcer.html

I heard it somewhere quite a long time ago and checked it but there are many examples on the internet. Of course this link is kinda balanced but don't tell me that your anti-immigrant pages aren't biased.

Two points, which I will try to make use simple words, as you seem to have problems understanding.

First, I have NO problem with legal immigration, and have had posts where I have recommended a slight increase in the number of legal immigrants admitted to the United States.  So, drop the lies about me opposing immigration.

Second, the study you cited was for immigrants, NOT illegal aliens.  While legal immigrants do tend to have a lower crime rate than illegal aliens, I have yet to see any credible study that says that ILLEGAL aliens have a low crime rate.

Well first of all if you admit the legal immigration system of the United States is messed up, is biased to Europeans, and middle class, and that illegal immigrants aren't bad people at all but have made mistakes then I will take that back.
Second of all, you could still extrapolate that study and apply it to illegal immigrants and I bet they would only have slightly higher criminiality rates than citizens.

First, there are problems with the legal immigration system, including ineptitude in granting renewals/extenstions and failure to check on those who have not left the country by the extension of their visas (if this had been done, a number of the 911 terrorists would have been caught).

Second, you are totally wrong in you assertion that the "immigration system of the United States...is biased to Europeans.  Here is the data for legal immigrants for 2005:

Mexico                      161,445
India                          84,681
China (PR)                  96,967
Phillipines                   60,748
Cuba                          36,261
Vietnam                      32,781
Dominican Republic     27,504
Korea                          26,562
Columbia                     25,571
Ukraine                        22,761

Total                        1,122,323

So, you allegation about the legal immigration system favoring europeans is totally false!

Next, you fail to grasp basic concepts.  I am concerned with illegal aliens, more particularly, with illegal entrants.  Do you know the definition of "immigrant," or do I need to post it?

Finally, the federal government has deliberately eliminated data collection in a number of categories for crimes which would provide more information.

Check the UCR for twenty-five years ago under "ethnicity," and check it today.  Hmm, category removed.

Carl you will not deny that our immigration system prefers middle class applicants over working class applicants? The basic thing is that a professional's company will sponsor his h1b and thus  he can easily get a green card. Who the hell is going to sponsor the guy who comes over here to pick lettuce in Salinas?

[Sbane]

Carl you will not deny that our immigration system prefers middle class applicants over working class applicants? The basic thing is that a professionals company will sponsor his h1b and thus he can easily get a green card. Who the hell is going to sponsor the guy who comes over here to pick lettuce in Salinas?
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I would suggest that is a very good approach.  Indeed, I would favor altering the system to give greater preference to those who are literate in English, and possess needed skills (particularly nurses).

With respect to the unskilled laborer, the employers who want them don't want to provide medical care for them (let the taxpayer do it), and do not reimburse the taxpayer for educational and law enforcement costs.

Lets require employers wanting to import unskilled workers to pay for these costs, and then lets see just how many employers really want them.

Its well past time to let rich businesses transfer their costs to the taxpayers!
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Well businesses are already tax payers so it is reasonable for them to expect the government to pay for educational and law enforcement costs for their employees. I think you make a good point with health insurance but that just shows how broken the whole system is and highlights the need for government subsidized health care or better yet "medicare for anyone who needs it". That money will be payed for with taxes and since we will take the burden of providing medical insurance off employers, I am sure they will not mind paying a little extra tax( yeah right).

[Sbane]

Sbane,

You really need to check reality.

The truth is that business (particularly big businesses) pay realitively little of the tax burden, particularly after the numerous tax breaks,exemptions and subsidies they receive.

A few years ago my city used to have two top notch trauma centers.  One had to close down because of the cost of treating illegal aliens, which was not reimbursed!

Now it takes longer to transport critically injured/ill patients for treatment, and some die as a result.

Yeah I am not denying that businesses find thousands of ways to cheat the system which is why we need more regulation (oh noes IRS). But honestly though taxing businesses a lot just leads to many of them moving out of the country and the ones who stay sell goods at a higher price. They never absorb the costs, never. Also I admit that it is a little unfair that Arizona is used as a highway of sorts by these immigrants who are actually going to other places to work. It used to be California but now it is your state. See to the overall country I think the benefits of these immigrants outweigh the negatives but I will admit that the costs and benefits are not distributed evenly. Thus we end up in a situation where your hospital is running out of money while some fatcat farmers sip wine in SF while hundreds of below minimum wage workers pick fruit on their farm. Oh and of course the farmers still need their subsidies. HAHA biggest scam ever huh?