The GOP is not changing anytime soon; here's why...

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If they continue with nativism, they will continue to lose middle class and upper income Asians and Hispanics. Republicans don't need to win the Hispanic vote, they need to cut the margin to 60-40. And really not supporting things like the AZ immigration law is more important to Asians and Hispanics than supporting amnesty or whatever. That is something that can be swept under the rug since citizens who are voting in elections are usually not as affected by it. Racist laws like the AZ immigration law affects all Asians and Hispanics.

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If they continue with nativism, they will continue to lose middle class and upper income Asians and Hispanics. Republicans don't need to win the Hispanic vote, they need to cut the margin to 60-40. And really not supporting things like the AZ immigration law is more important to Asians and Hispanics than supporting amnesty or whatever. That is something that can be swept under the rug since citizens who are voting in elections are usually not as affected by it. Racist laws like the AZ immigration law affects all Asians and Hispanics.

Arizona's Immigration Law is not racist, if you want a racist immigration law check out Mexico's.

Giving cops the authority to pull over people if they look like they are illegals is most certainly racist. Instead, why don't we focus on more policing of the borders and strategic fencing? As well as doing a better job of deporting illegals with felonies? The last point is something the Obama administration has actually been doing.

The AZ immigration law was a nativist law passed by a legislature trying to deflect blame for AZ's budget problems at the height of the recession. Trying to blame immigrants and outsiders during hard economic times is not something new in America, and the Republican party of Arizona played the same card in 2010. What's sad is that the rest of the Republican party stood right by them. That is why Republicans lost the support of Cubans and Vietnamese, two groups that have been supporting Republicans for decades. Go ahead with the nativism, and face the consequences.

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Giving cops the authority to pull over people if they look like they are illegals is most certainly racist. Instead, why don't we focus on more policing of the borders and strategic fencing? As well as doing a better job of deporting illegals with felonies? The last point is something the Obama administration has actually been doing.

The AZ immigration law was a nativist law passed by a legislature trying to deflect blame for AZ's budget problems at the height of the recession. Trying to blame immigrants and outsiders during hard economic times is not something new in America, and the Republican party of Arizona played the same card in 2010. What's sad is that the rest of the Republican party stood right by them. That is why Republicans lost the support of Cubans and Vietnamese, two groups that have been supporting Republicans for decades. Go ahead with the nativism, and face the consequences.

Every illegal immigrant is a criminal, if you enter a country illegally you are a criminal that is one thing I will never tolerate, neither should the GOP or any respectable political party.

Arizona's law doesn't give the police the power to pull over hispanics and ask to see their ID, it gives police the power to question people in police custody about their immigration status, so if the person speaks in broken English for example.

Remember McCain constantly supported pathways to amnesty, he lost hispanics in a mega landslide so much for "nativism" being the cause of the GOP's hispanic problem, if that was the case McCain would have won a massive victory of hispanics. The fact is hispanics don't really care about immigration that much, it is not a main issue for them, they don't agree with Republicans on other issues like the economy which are more important to them. Immigration and amnesty are more important to the left than hispanics, after all its all about future votes.

Different sources say different things about the Cuban-American vote, I know the Miami Herald said Romney won Cubans. I'm not sure about the Vietnamese but I do know that there are a lot of them in Orange County, California and that county swung to the Republicans in 2012.

What I want is for the USA to reduce legal immigration, completely stop illegal immigration, build a border fence and allow the immigrants in the USA to become completely Americanized so that all this racial political BS can end, I am sick of reading stuff like "Hispanics turning Texas blue".

I know Orange County like the back of my hand and I can vouch for the fact that the Vietnamese swung heavily to Obama, based on precinct results. The whiter areas of the county swung heavily Romney. As for Cubans, I don't know if Romney won their vote, but they certainly did swing heavily to Obama.

Immigrants, especially skilled and more wealthy immigrants like Asians, are helping America keep afloat programs such as Medicare and Social Security. Without them, this country would become like Europe, unable to fund it's social safety net for seniors. And among whites and blacks, whites especially, it is the older population that is growing the most. I can understand wanting to restrict low skill immigration, but wanting to restrict legal immigrants who for the most party tend to be high skill and have decent professions? I don't know if I can have a serious debate with you. In any case, you might be a closet racist and in that case it's really not worth having a conversation with you.

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If they continue with nativism, they will continue to lose middle class and upper income Asians and Hispanics. Republicans don't need to win the Hispanic vote, they need to cut the margin to 60-40. And really not supporting things like the AZ immigration law is more important to Asians and Hispanics than supporting amnesty or whatever. That is something that can be swept under the rug since citizens who are voting in elections are usually not as affected by it. Racist laws like the AZ immigration law affects all Asians and Hispanics.

Yeah they need to get in between 40-45% of Hispanics to win elections time and keep the Dems on their heels.

They need to find a way to win northern moderate whites and Asians (many have similar views to northern moderates in any case), and keep the Hispanic vote at 40% or so. If they can also get about 15% of the Black vote, Republicans can certainly compete for another generation, hopefully after which racial politics becomes a thing of the past.

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I know Orange County like the back of my hand and I can vouch for the fact that the Vietnamese swung heavily to Obama, based on precinct results. The whiter areas of the county swung heavily Romney. As for Cubans, I don't know if Romney won their vote, but they certainly did swing heavily to Obama.

So first you say Romney lost Cubans now you say you don't know? You don't really know much so I think I will be skeptical on the immense knowledge of Orange County that you claim to possess.

There was a tremendous swing towards Obama among Cubans and Vietnamese, this is not debatable. Whether that resulted in a win for Obama or not, I do not know. But it did lead to Obama losing Florida and not gaining in Orange County as he could have otherwise. Have you looked at precinct results in Orange County, diouche? Could you even interpret it if you did?

Btw, here is what I said exactly about the Cuban and Vietnamese vote..."lost the support of Cubans and Vietnamese". Perhaps you aren't comfortable with nuanced and complex thought, but that statement does not imply that Romney lost the vote overall of either Cubans or Vietnamese. Just that he lost a lot of support from previous Republican candidates. In a swing state like Florida, that matters. And I don't think Chris Norby, the incumbent California assemblyman who was defeated in his Orange County district, is that thrilled with the plummeting support for the GOP among the Vietnamese.

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There was a tremendous swing towards Obama among Cubans and Vietnamese, this is not debatable. Whether that resulted in a win for Obama or not, I do not know. But it did lead to Obama losing Florida and not gaining in Orange County as he could have otherwise. Have you looked at precinct results in Orange County, diouche? Could you even interpret it if you did?

Btw, here is what I said exactly about the Cuban and Vietnamese vote..."lost the support of Cubans and Vietnamese". Perhaps you aren't comfortable with nuanced and complex thought, but that statement does not imply that Romney lost the vote overall of either Cubans or Vietnamese. Just that he lost a lot of support from previous Republican candidates. In a swing state like Florida, that matters. And I don't think Chris Norby, the incumbent California assemblyman who was defeated in his Orange County district, is that thrilled with the plummeting support for the GOP among the Vietnamese.

One more thing before you insult a person you might want to learn how to spell.

Uh, what? The "douche" was misspelled on purpose.....

Also what proof do you have that Filipinos swung to Romney? I would certainly be interested in that.

Also, as an Asian myself, I know that nativism does hurt Republicans and makes the party look uninviting to those who have come to this nation recently. Even Asians who have lived in America for a long time get the question "where are you from?". So out comes a political party that is openly nativist...do you really think Asians will vote for that party? I am not saying immigration issues are the only thing that matter to Asians, they certainly do not. Asians tend to be moderates, and like other moderate voters have trended Democrat since Clinton's election. Still, white moderates moved back towards Romney in 2012, but the opposite happened with the Asian vote.

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Both Nikki Haley and Jindal faced some "interesting" challenges along the way, in the case of Haley primarily from her side. As for Sandoval and Martinez, their political future basically ends in those states. Even Rubio might be confined to Florida if he touches immigration reform. And it's going to be the doing of the Republican base.

Also any evidence for the Filipino claims? I am genuinely interested. One city where a lot live in, Chino Hillls, is fairly Republican considering it's demographics.