Opinion of the United Nations

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Those of you bitching about the supposed lack of US power in the UN do realize the US is one of five countries to hold permanent veto power? Those dictators you guys are so concerned about are basically powerless beyond giving speeches.

Do you guys realize Israel basically has a free pass to do whatever the hell it wants due to US veto power?

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I am NOT a fan of Israel, but I think the UN is also rabidly anti Semitic.

Yeah, but antisemitism with no teeth isn't all that bad is it?

Do you guys realize Israel basically has a free pass to do whatever the hell it wants due to US veto power?

Then why don't they?  Do the other countries with veto power have "pets" too?  Why are they rarely talked about?  Probably has something to do with what Sanchez was talking about above.
Those of you bitching about the supposed lack of US power in the UN do realize the US is one of five countries to hold permanent veto power? Those dictators you guys are so concerned about are basically powerless beyond giving speeches.

Of course the other countries with veto powers have pets as well, though it's mainly the US now. Back in the day, the USSR obviously had many. This is an interesting chart of vetoes by the five countries during different periods of time.

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I am NOT a fan of Israel, but I think the UN is also rabidly anti Semitic.

Yeah, but antisemitism with no teeth isn't all that bad is it?

Do you guys realize Israel basically has a free pass to do whatever the hell it wants due to US veto power?

Then why don't they?  Do the other countries with veto power have "pets" too?  Why are they rarely talked about?  Probably has something to do with what Sanchez was talking about above.

Of course the other countries with veto powers have pets as well, though it's mainly the US now. Back in the day, the USSR obviously had many. This is an interesting chart of vetoes by the five countries during different periods of time.

So why doesn't Israel do "whatever the hell it wants" if it has the US protecting it?  Also, it's interesting that the US total, even with all the protecting of Israel they do, haven't even come close to what the Soviets did before 1965.  Clearly the US is abusing the system.

I'm not sure why Israel hasn't committed full scale genocide yet. Very perplexing question that.

I wasn't exactly trying to say the US is overly abusing the system (everyone abuses it to protect their interests and buddies), just pointing out how much more powerful it is than the tin foil dictators everyone is complaining about here. The UN's peacekeeping side of the ledger is pretty ineffective, and that is due to the design of the body. And yes, the US is also complicit in making it ineffective. Maybe we should have UN forces in the Gaza strip and the West Bank to protect them from the Israelis. What chance does that have of getting past the council?

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I wasn't exactly trying to say the US is overly abusing the system (everyone abuses it to protect their interests and buddies), just pointing out how much more powerful it is than the tin foil dictators everyone is complaining about here. The UN's peacekeeping side of the ledger is pretty ineffective, and that is due to the design of the body. And yes, the US is also complicit in making it ineffective. Maybe we should have UN forces in the Gaza strip and the West Bank to protect them from the Israelis. What chance does that have of getting past the council?

If they are protecting both ways and are effective, I wouldn't have a problem with it and I doubt Israel or the US would either.  I take it you think otherwise?

Why wouldn't I want them to protect Israel from suicide bombers, as far as that is possible to do? Oh wait, that's right, you think anyone who doesn't like Israel is automatically an anti-semite.