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Ilhan Apologist
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« on: July 18, 2019, 08:56:58 PM »

I find it funny the same people who make excuses for, and resist all attempts to sanction Iran, also think Israel should be sanctioned

The people of Iran aren't calling for sanctions.
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« Reply #1 on: July 18, 2019, 08:59:09 PM »

But anyway, did anyone on this thread actually read what she said? She just said that "Americans of conscience have a proud history of participating in boycotts to advocate for human rights abroad including ... boycotting Nazi Germany from March 1933 to October 1941 in response to the dehumanization of the Jewish people in the lead-up to the Holocaust." I don't see what's wrong with this.

Edit: Hang on, the Examiner obviously cut the quote so it looked like that was the only item she listed. Let me find the whole recording.
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« Reply #2 on: July 18, 2019, 09:48:51 PM »
« Edited: July 18, 2019, 10:15:18 PM by Governor Kathy Hoffman »

Okay, spent an hour digging around for where it was said. Here it is:

https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-resolution/496/text?q=%7B%22search%22%3A%5B%22boycott%22%5D%7D&r=3&s=1

I just don't see what's wrong with her listing these. She just listed all the major boycotts of countries that were engaging in human rights abuses.
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« Reply #3 on: July 19, 2019, 10:23:33 AM »


Okay, so all of the framing (news stories, etc.; hell, even the title of this very thread) around this resolution appears to be WAY off.

First, the resolution opens with examples of boycotts used for domestic reasons before then highlighting examples of boycotts carried out to try & impact foreign policy.

More importantly, though, this resolution is pretty explicitly not endorsing a boycott or advocating for one (the full text is short & the link is directly above, so you can read the whole resolution to confirm). The resolved section: affirms that people have the right to boycott; says laws regulating boycotts are counter to the Constitution & established precedent; & calls on people to oppose anti-boycott laws.

Yes, Texas passed a law that punishes people for boycotting Israel so that's (understandably) where most people go with this, but Israel, BDS, & Palestine aren't mentioned or referenced in the text. In fact, the text is explicitly broader because this isn't the only ban. There are states also looking at ways of banning protests on campus. President Trump famously wants people fired for protesting the national anthem. You think the next step isn't laws? They explicitly mention flag burning in their examples (also cake baking).

Again, read the whole resolution; it's super short. Stop taking partisan political pundits screaming about it at their word, because saying Omar is comparing Israel to Nazi Germany in this resolution simply doesn't stand up to a reading of the text, as the text *DOES NOT COMPARE* anything. That's not even the purpose of the resolution, for crying out loud.

Yeah, thanks for breaking it down. Obviously the hyperpartisans are going to throw everything they can at her, but it disappoints me that people like Badger are falling for it.
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« Reply #4 on: July 19, 2019, 02:54:10 PM »

Badger, why do you want Tlaib to be primaried now? Omar has said some tone-deaf things, but Tlaib hasn't even done that.
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« Reply #5 on: July 20, 2019, 06:38:20 PM »

Please, someone, change the headline.
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« Reply #6 on: July 20, 2019, 06:48:49 PM »

No, it's literally correct. The Nazi comparison is in the resolution she put forward.

She does not "compare them". She just uses Germany as one of several examples of previous boycotts.
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« Reply #7 on: July 20, 2019, 07:09:38 PM »

No, it's literally correct. The Nazi comparison is in the resolution she put forward.

She does not "compare them". She just uses Germany as one of several examples of previous boycotts.


Then she did indeed make the comparison

Your headline makes it sound like she said that Israel was comparable to the Holocaust.
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« Reply #8 on: July 20, 2019, 09:54:28 PM »

She introduced a resolution in support of the BDS movement. She used the US boycott against Nazi Germany as an example of another justified boycott. That's a comparison.

Stop gaslighting us. We're not stupid. The cruelty is the point. If Jews are the new Nazis, then antisemitism is anti-fascism.

I'm not gaslighting you. You're not going to be convinced. I just don't want you to mislead people like Badger.
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« Reply #9 on: July 20, 2019, 10:13:45 PM »
« Edited: July 20, 2019, 10:24:46 PM by Ilhan Omar is an FF »


Is what a malapropism?
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« Reply #10 on: July 20, 2019, 10:47:42 PM »


Okay, so all of the framing (news stories, etc.; hell, even the title of this very thread) around this resolution appears to be WAY off.

First, the resolution opens with examples of boycotts used for domestic reasons before then highlighting examples of boycotts carried out to try & impact foreign policy.

More importantly, though, this resolution is pretty explicitly not endorsing a boycott or advocating for one (the full text is short & the link is directly above, so you can read the whole resolution to confirm). The resolved section: affirms that people have the right to boycott; says laws regulating boycotts are counter to the Constitution & established precedent; & calls on people to oppose anti-boycott laws.

Yes, Texas passed a law that punishes people for boycotting Israel so that's (understandably) where most people go with this, but Israel, BDS, & Palestine aren't mentioned or referenced in the text. In fact, the text is explicitly broader because this isn't the only ban. There are states also looking at ways of banning protests on campus. President Trump famously wants people fired for protesting the national anthem. You think the next step isn't laws? They explicitly mention flag burning in their examples (also cake baking).

Again, read the whole resolution; it's super short. Stop taking partisan political pundits screaming about it at their word, because saying Omar is comparing Israel to Nazi Germany in this resolution simply doesn't stand up to a reading of the text, as the text *DOES NOT COMPARE* anything. That's not even the purpose of the resolution, for crying out loud.

I'm just gonna leave this here for anybody who still believes that the headline is literally correct or that it's a de facto comparison because Ilhan Omar is an unrepentant anti-Semite or that the resolution supports BDS or that we're gaslighting you or that she's saying the Jews are the new Nazis.

Either you blue avatars evidently don't know how to read, or you do & you just don't care.

To them, giving Palestinians human rights is anti-semitic.
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« Reply #11 on: July 21, 2019, 10:15:52 PM »

As somebody who's very much opposed to the Israeli policies, I can't defend this statement. Israel is not comparable with the Third Reich or the USSR.
I agree. (It's worse.)

How much does it keep you up at night that the Jews have exactly as much power to destroy you now as you do to destroy them? I bet it stings.

Not all the Jews. Just the white ones in Israel.
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« Reply #12 on: July 21, 2019, 10:21:30 PM »

As somebody who's very much opposed to the Israeli policies, I can't defend this statement. Israel is not comparable with the Third Reich or the USSR.
I agree. (It's worse.)

How much does it keep you up at night that the Jews have exactly as much power to destroy you now as you do to destroy them? I bet it stings.

Not all the Jews. Just the white ones in Israel.

Israel is majority Mizrahi/Sephardic, but thanks for exposing yourself as a racist by using the WokeNaz "White Jews" line.

How does acknowledging racism make me a racist?

Edit: Also, South Africa was majority Black during apartheid. Who's in the majority means nothing.
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« Reply #13 on: July 22, 2019, 08:54:22 AM »

As somebody who's very much opposed to the Israeli policies, I can't defend this statement. Israel is not comparable with the Third Reich or the USSR.
I agree. (It's worse.)

How much does it keep you up at night that the Jews have exactly as much power to destroy you now as you do to destroy them? I bet it stings.

Not all the Jews. Just the white ones in Israel.

Israel is majority Mizrahi/Sephardic, but thanks for exposing yourself as a racist by using the WokeNaz "White Jews" line.

How does acknowledging racism make me a racist?

Edit: Also, South Africa was majority Black during apartheid. Who's in the majority means nothing.

You're literally jumping onto an argument kicked off by a goon claiming that Israel is worse than the Nazis to argue with a Jewish person.

Yeah, that person is a troll, and I'm not defending them. But my point is that Israel has not been doing a good job of protecting its nonwhite Jewish citizens.
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« Reply #14 on: July 22, 2019, 12:42:11 PM »

As somebody who's very much opposed to the Israeli policies, I can't defend this statement. Israel is not comparable with the Third Reich or the USSR.
I agree. (It's worse.)

How much does it keep you up at night that the Jews have exactly as much power to destroy you now as you do to destroy them? I bet it stings.

Not all the Jews. Just the white ones in Israel.

Israel is majority Mizrahi/Sephardic, but thanks for exposing yourself as a racist by using the WokeNaz "White Jews" line.

How does acknowledging racism make me a racist?

Edit: Also, South Africa was majority Black during apartheid. Who's in the majority means nothing.

You're literally jumping onto an argument kicked off by a goon claiming that Israel is worse than the Nazis to argue with a Jewish person.

Yeah, that person is a troll, and I'm not defending them. But my point is that Israel has not been doing a good job of protecting its nonwhite Jewish citizens.

It's complicated, because they are a refuge for many of those citizens from countries that want them dead. But they definitely need to do better.

Glad there's something we can agree on.
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