Famine in Gaza?

[It’s so Joever]

Starving baby Israel's fault

The well-groomed, well-fed Palestinian doctor with the dashing high fade says it's because there's no formula milk.  Why is the World Food Programme, which organizes the food trucks, not giving them formula milk?  Is the WFP committing genocide?

You have literally zero clue the doctor is “well fed”. A loss of body weight of five pounds due to lack of food is hardly noticeable on the average adult. A loss of five pounds for a baby would result in their likely near death. Yes I am aware they have different intake requirements but still, the doctor has years of fat reserves whereas the baby is literally just born. We see this type of stuff in Yemen and other famine zones all the time, stop being such a d**che and take a second to think before you type.

[It’s so Joever]

I mean we do know according to Gazan propaganda that someone is taking all the aid packages and selling them around. I don't know who it could be other than other Gazans.

That's part of the problem, certainly, but it's made much worse by the massive logistical difficulties transporting and distributing aid to millions of people in a war zone. Even without Hamas hoarding supplies and some people selling food for a profit, it would still be a monumental challenge.

If GMac had made the claim it’s Hamas exacerbating the famine, he would have had a fair enough point. Instead he decided to jump to this illogical conclusion which goes against what reliable sources on the ground are saying themselves all based on a single poll with questionable collection in the middle of a war??

[It’s so Joever]

I would have no way to prove the veracity of these videos.

One thing I always find interesting during global conflicts is to go on SnapChat and look at the Snap Map hotspot to see what people are posting from some particular area of the world.  It's been annoying during this war because there are so many snaps in English that are either propaganda against a blank background, or sad face girl selfies with CashApp/Telegram requests (I'm starving can you please send me money CashApp in profile).  You have to flip through anything with English text to get to the snaps in Arabic that are actually for the local audience.

Right now go do this and come back and let me know whether the Gazans look like starving concentration camp survivors or just perfectly normal people.  I specifically didn't look before posting this because hey maybe I'm wrong and one of the first videos will be a bunch of starving people.

1. I do this too and have seen plenty of refugee camps, people lining up for food etc in Arabic.

2. People living a life doesn’t mean there isn’t war you dumb f**k! Even in the worst of war zones, people still laugh, they still make the most of what little food they can, they still listen to music.

3. You probably also aren’t seeing the worst of it. When bullets are flying people aren’t generally thinking “oh get a snap” they are thinking “get to the basement NOW!” And when their child is dying they aren’t thinking “let’s take an image of my bleeding out boy!” They are instead trying to desperately speak to the boy, maybe hug him one last time.

4. Malnourishment only looks like concentration camp level in the final stages where death is near inevitable. With your logic I can also go to Venezuela and see “normal looking people” and conclude there is no food crisis there, but that’s incorrect as well. I will tell you this from personal experience, when I was suffering from a severe eating disorder and at a dangerously low level where I well could’ve been hospitalized just on that alone, I looked pretty “normal” with clothes on. I’m sorry but do you hear yourself? You are trying to use a few Snapchat posts to disprove a famine, like come on man you are reaching Woodbury levels here!

[It’s so Joever]

This is because Hamas are not the occupying power and do not have the capacity to bring in food.

Hamas are bad guys for very many other reasons, but as the occupier of northern Gaza, Israel are responsible for what happens there.

Israel brings in food.  Hamas steals the food and keeps it from the Palestinians.  Israel sends soldiers to protect the food.  Hamas shoots the soldiers.  Palestinians try to prevent Hamas from stealing their food.  Hamas shoots the Palestinians and says Israel did it.

End result: Hamas are the heroes, Israel are the genocidal monsters.

You should’ve just said this at the start instead of trying to deny an obvious humanitarian crisis.

[It’s so Joever]

This is because Hamas are not the occupying power and do not have the capacity to bring in food.

Hamas are bad guys for very many other reasons, but as the occupier of northern Gaza, Israel are responsible for what happens there.

Israel brings in food.  Hamas steals the food and keeps it from the Palestinians.  Israel sends soldiers to protect the food.  Hamas shoots the soldiers.  Palestinians try to prevent Hamas from stealing their food.  Hamas shoots the Palestinians and says Israel did it.

End result: Hamas are the heroes, Israel are the genocidal monsters.

You should’ve just said this at the start instead of trying to deny an obvious humanitarian crisis.

Nobody is denying that there is a humanitarian crisis, that much is obvious.  It's a war zone, of course there's a crisis.

The question is (A) is Israel getting enough food into Gaza.

And the follow-up question is (B) if not, is it because Israel is intentionally starving the Gazans to try and kill them -- which would be a genocidal tactic.

In my original post I demonstrate that the answer to (A) is "yes", which makes (B) moot.

If Israel is giving people food and then Hamas is stealing the food from them at gunpoint, then that would make Hamas responsible for any starvation, not Israel, yes?

Bro, the literal title of this thread you created is “Famine in Gaza?”