High School Boys are Trending Conservative

[It’s so Joever]

It should be noted also that the "Andrew Tate" people are not going to grow up and be part of any kind of coherent political movement, just like the people who worshiped alt-right Youtubers several years ago. These are the next generation of rapists and mass shooters. They'll never procreate or have relationships, unless they reform, because it is not possible for these people to appeal to women. It's a very concerning problem, but for reasons much more important than who they will vote for in 2028.

No, the real solution is to even further polarize the situation by spreading rampant misinfo on Instagram/tiktok among predominantly younger game oriented audiences and create a hyper polarized and motivated bloc of voters to combat the alt right.

Bring on the gender war!

[It’s so Joever]

But in all seriousness I alluded to this trend back in early 2021 only to be called a doomer/terminally online, glad (well not really actually) to be proven right once again. Gen Z and the next are polarized beyond belief and it will be a big deal in elections soon.

[It’s so Joever]

It should be noted also that the "Andrew Tate" people are not going to grow up and be part of any kind of coherent political movement, just like the people who worshiped alt-right Youtubers several years ago. These are the next generation of rapists and mass shooters. They'll never procreate or have relationships, unless they reform, because it is not possible for these people to appeal to women. It's a very concerning problem, but for reasons much more important than who they will vote for in 2028.

No, the real solution is to even further polarize the situation by spreading rampant misinfo on Instagram/tiktok among predominantly younger game oriented audiences and create a hyper polarized and motivated bloc of voters to combat the alt right.

Bring on the gender war!

Remember that time you said that you were worried Republicans were going to arrest you for being liberal on Atlas? No one should be taking any of your advice on anything related to the internet.

Not to mention, your post doesn't make much sense. "No, the real solution . . ." implies that you're responding to my solution, but I didn't offer one. I just pointed out the problem as I see it. What are you even addressing here?

Lighten up man (and no I don’t mean weight wise since you would prolly assume so)

[It’s so Joever]

The “reason” women are shifting left and men are shifting right is simply because it’s become a cultural indicator of femininity/masculinity. Why this has happened is probably a bit of a vicious cycle. Dems make appeals to women on a social level and build those connections, women start identifying as Dems, soon it becomes a thing for women to be Dems. They project those ideas onto social media with a unique aesthetic, that becomes adopted by their widely female circles creating a ripple effect. Vice versa for men btw. How do you reverse it? You don’t. There is no reason for either side to actually change things right now, the shift doesn’t really hurt or help anyone on balance.

It’s really not about issues. Even for the ones you would think “should” be polarized by gender by default, not necessarily. In fact Pew polling shows that women were once just as pro life as men. Also this is why people can be “Obama Trump” voters, because it’s a cultural expression.
Let’s be real politics is just group psychology.

[It’s so Joever]

The “reason” women are shifting left and men are shifting right is simply because it’s become a cultural indicator of femininity/masculinity. Why this has happened is probably a bit of a vicious cycle. Dems make appeals to women on a social level and build those connections, women start identifying as Dems, soon it becomes a thing for women to be Dems. They project those ideas onto social media with a unique aesthetic, that becomes adopted by their widely female circles creating a ripple effect. Vice versa for men btw.

I doubt the premise that men are shifting right and that women are shifting left; ever since 2000, the gender gap between men and women in terms of voting has always been about 20% in every presidential election. Additionally, the data indicate that high school boys are becoming LESS conservative.

I mean we have some early data here suggesting just that, but time will tell. And “ever since 2000” can easily change. Does Atlas have a remind me feature? This would be fun to look at in a few years.

How do you reverse it? You don’t. There is no reason for either side to actually change things right now, the shift doesn’t really hurt or help anyone on balance.

If you are correct in assuming that such a trend is occurring at the moment, are you sure that it would not help or hurt anyone in the balance? Such a trend would only increase polarization along gender lines, increasing misogynist attitudes among men and misandrist attitudes among women, leading to a dramatically decreased fertility rate and a declining population. Politics is incredibly polarizing, so assigning political parties to gender identities is like pouring lighter fluid (political polarization) on fire (sexism).

I should rephrase. It won’t help or hurt either political party. Society will be much worse off in many ways if what I think is happening does happen.

It’s really not about issues. Even for the ones you would think “should” be polarized by gender by default, not necessarily. In fact Pew polling shows that women were once just as pro life as men. Also this is why people can be “Obama Trump” voters, because it’s a cultural expression.
Let’s be real politics is just group psychology.

https://civiqs.com/results/abortion_legal?uncertainty=true&annotations=true&zoomIn=true

There is absolutely a prominent gender gap in terms of how men and women view abortion. Men are Pro-Choice+6%; women are Pro-Choice+33%. Issues do impact voting patterns.

Do you think a party with a "feminine aesthetic" (not even sure what that means) that believes in the cult of domesticity would win female voters? Of course not, voters care more about policy than "aesthetic".

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Yes, CURRENTLY women are far more pro choice. But that simply was not always the case, https://news.gallup.com/poll/245618/abortion-trends-gender.aspx

And to be clear I do think there are a few limits to my theories on social voting. I do think if it directly and explicitly hurts one personally (and not just hypothetically) that can “break” the stranglehold. I don’t think a group will vote to mass kill themselves (at least not directly, ahem Florida and climate change)

That being said, I do legitimately think if you really framed it right and waited a few generations (cultural changes take time and inertia is very much a thing), you actually could over time get domesticity to become a “feminine” ideal among women. I obviously don’t support such a thing but I totally think it is possible.

Voters care more about “policy” sure, but what “policy” they support is extremely malleable and heavily contingent on identity (which likewise is malleable)

[It’s so Joever]

Yes, CURRENTLY women are far more pro choice. But that simply was not always the case, https://news.gallup.com/poll/245618/abortion-trends-gender.aspx

And to be clear I do think there are a few limits to my theories on social voting. I do think if it directly and explicitly hurts one personally (and not just hypothetically) that can “break” the stranglehold. I don’t think a group will vote to mass kill themselves (at least not directly, ahem Florida and climate change)

That being said, I do legitimately think if you really framed it right and waited a few generations (cultural changes take time and inertia is very much a thing), you actually could over time get domesticity to become a “feminine” ideal among women. I obviously don’t support such a thing but I totally think it is possible.

Voters care more about “policy” sure, but what “policy” they support is extremely malleable and heavily contingent on identity (which likewise is malleable)

Men and women might have had similar views on abortion decades ago, but there existed other issues where men and women have disagreed. Republicans and Democrats actually performed comparably among both men and women until 1980, when the gender gap started revealing itself.

I believe a lot of this could be attributed to Phyllis Schlafly's STOP ERA campaign, which stopped the ratification of the ERA dead in its tracks. Phyllis Schlafly, who had the endorsement of the conservative movement and the Republican Party, actually argued that the ERA would weaken traditional "female" gender roles and the family unit.

Phyllis Schlafly thus leaned hard into a traditional "feminine" aesthetic, but female voters shifted away from the Republican Party in 1980, the same year the GOP dropped support for the ERA, relative to the nation. It turns out, unsurprisingly, that female voters care more about their rights than any "feminine" aesthetic. (It had only been six years since women could open bank accounts without permission from their husbands, and it would not be decades later until women could serve in combat roles in the military.)

Policy has always been more important than gender roles. No matter how hard a movement/party tries to lean into a feminine aesthetic, if their policies limit the rights of women, they will lose the female vote.

Sure you can say that! But the problem is what people view as their most important rights and necessities can change, and those are linked heavily to socialization and culture.

[It’s so Joever]

As a high schooler, my anecdotal experience confirms this. My school is an overwhelmingly Asian public school so one may be inclined to think that students there would be left wing. But most of my male friends actually lean conservative, whether it’s memes mocking Joe Biden or (much more substantially) pushback against wokeism (you see them mocking things like “72 genders” and complaining about reverse sexism). Of course, for obvious reasons most of them also vehemently oppose affirmative action…we had a debate in civics class on the matter last year, and pretty much everyone took a stand against it.

And I can guess how the females there lean.

[It’s so Joever]

As a high schooler, my anecdotal experience confirms this. My school is an overwhelmingly Asian public school so one may be inclined to think that students there would be left wing. But most of my male friends actually lean conservative, whether it’s memes mocking Joe Biden or (much more substantially) pushback against wokeism (you see them mocking things like “72 genders” and complaining about reverse sexism). Of course, for obvious reasons most of them also vehemently oppose affirmative action…we had a debate in civics class on the matter last year, and pretty much everyone took a stand against it.

And I can guess how the females there lean.

Honestly I don’t know. Admittedly I mostly interact with boys not girls, but it feels like girls are less interested in politics and “woke wars” and whatnot than the boys. Tbf this may not be an inaccurate view of it at all - consider the gender breakdown of this very forum. Mostly young males, very few females.

Interesting. My experience has been largely the opposite with girls being more politically engaged, however I mostly was friends with girls so honestly this could be just my own bias.

[It’s so Joever]

I'm honestly pretty surprised that the alt-right hasn't tried to polarize "Vampire" since that song totally blows and I could probably make a video in five minutes saying here's ten reasons why Vampire sucks, only me and my alt-right friends are willing to tell the truth, everyone else is just lying to each other because Olivia Rodrigo is the liberal left's new feminist hero and Joe Biden invited her to the White House.  7 million views within a week, guaranteed.

“Everyone who likes different music than me is lying about liking it.”

Did BRTD hack your account?

The entire second half of that paragraph is me describing a hypothetical video I could make if I wanted to be a right-wing YouTube provocateur.  Are you illiterate?  Do you also think I have a bunch of alt-right friends?

I think Ferguson can be off at times, but I highly doubt he is dumb enough to think you have friends.

[It’s so Joever]

I'm not going to bother reading this entire thread, but as a father of two young boys, all I can do is to ensure that I raise them with a full understanding of compassion and empathy for others.  If they still end up being conservative as adults, well, I tried my best.

I think the most important thing is to foster discussion of these topics at the dinner table. It’s contrary to conventional wisdom but letting your kids talk with someone they trust on these issues and using that to gesr them towards critical thinking is key.

Obviously don’t force it but if your kids bring it up, let the discussion go forth. A lot of families try to suppress these topics and it’s not helpful.